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    Eternal Punishment Versus Eternal Torment

    Good Grief, "1) Eternal Punishment is well supported biblical doctrine. Just what kind of punishment is in dispute." Pointless posts of profundity provide presumption of positive proof.
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    Eternal Punishment Versus Eternal Torment

    None of the above doctrines are in dispute! 1) Eternal Punishment is well supported biblical doctrine. Just what kind of punishment is in dispute. 2) In the realm of darkness, separated from God, there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth is well supported biblical doctrine. The duration...
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    Eternal Punishment Versus Eternal Torment

    Please stay on topic and cease and desist petty personality posts addressing me rather than the topic.
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    Accurately Translating Adoption

    Romans 8:17 NIV Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. Children of God have been spiritually born anew, regenerated, and are therefore children of promise. Romans 8:17...
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    Justification/ Man-Made Laws

    I think your question arises from an effort to support error. 1) Our faith in Christ must be deep seated, having a root, such that our commitment and devotion to Christ is greater than our fleshly desires for comfort and security from earthly treasures. The meaning of Luke 8:13. 2) The...
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    Eternal Punishment Versus Eternal Torment

    The claim eternal punishment is the same as eternal torment is imposed dogma. The issue is not the fact that the devil suffers eternal torment, the issue is the claim humans suffer the same thing. Eternal torment cannot be ruled out from scripture, but neither can it be explicitly supported.
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    Eternal Punishment Versus Eternal Torment

    Folks, the issue is not that they have no rest day or night, the issue is the duration, when being tormented or when the smoke of their torment ascends forever? Certainly when they are being tormented, but possibly also afterwards they have no rest for eternity. Anyone who claims the verse...
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    Dying Spiritually

    Yet another petty personality post, addressing me and not the topic.
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    Justification/ Man-Made Laws

    No verse or passage says or suggests a person can lose their salvation, once born anew. None, Zip, Nada. Luke 8:13 says they believed, but belief does not automatically save a person, only when and if God credits that belief as righteousness, does human faith provide access to God's grace of...
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    Eternal Punishment Versus Eternal Torment

    If we consider Isaiah 34:10 and the concept of the eternal fire which will destroy Edom, we see none will survive the fire. But others read the verse as saying none will travel through the city ever again. Both views could be in part driven by an agenda, to make it fit with destruction or with...
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    Eternal Punishment Versus Eternal Torment

    When some people try to derive the actual message of a verse or passage, they ask the question, "What is the least God is saying?" This practice is for the purpose of avoiding to the extent possible, adding to scripture. Let us look at Revelation 14:11: “And the smoke of their torment...
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    Justification/ Man-Made Laws

    Yet another change of subject nonsense post. Acts 24:5 has nothing to do with the fact human souls can be killed by God. God can create life, and take life, He can recreate life, resurrection to life, and He can recreate death, the second death in the lake of fire. Let the lying lips be...
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    Dying Spiritually

    I see we have a string of petty personality posts, rather than discussion of the topic. Folks, the truth is found in scripture, not gossip. Now he wants me to teach him, after he claimed what I believe is not found in scripture. This is all they have folks, endless nonsense posts saying...
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    Justification/ Man-Made Laws

    Empty post, but long on "taint so" and Van is a so and so for saying so. :) Let us consider the passage 2 Peter 2:17-22. Who are the ones being misled, those who have barely escaped those living in error. This condition does not suggest salvation, but rather of having been taught the truth...
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    Dying Spiritually

    I see we have a string of petty personality posts, rather than discussion of the topic. Folks, the truth is found in scripture, not gossip.
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    Eternal Punishment Versus Eternal Torment

    The Biblical doctrine at issue is what happens to humans who are tossed into the Lake of Fire following judgement, their names not being found in the Lamb's book of life. The Eternal Torment crowd believe that humans never succumb, but remain conscious and aware of their ongoing torment. The...
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    Dying Spiritually

    Yet another false claim from someone you claims God cannot kill human souls in Gehenna. This all false teachers have, pathetic efforts to change the subject with an avalanche of falsehoods. If I engaged in the same behavior, I could post Charlie24 might be institutionalized in an asylum for...
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    Dying Spiritually

    More unsubstantiated claims from the doctrines of the deceived. For those who care what the Bible actually says, Jesus gave himself (His life) as a ransom for all. 1 Timothy 2:6, Romans 5:8.
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    Dying Spiritually

    Your claim is just another falsehood, aimed at changing the subject to me. Folks, pay no attention to those who post their conjecture as if were supported by reality. Like many Calvinists, they post against the person arguments, because they cannot support their false doctrines from scripture...
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    Justification/ Man-Made Laws

    There is no support anywhere in scripture for the loss of salvation of those God transfers into Christ. None, Zip, Nada Those who have been duped by unstudied false teachers often regurgitate the same passages that have been shown as providing no support. They seldom if ever address the...
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