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  1. John of Japan

    Piedmont U.--No Longer Christian?

    Yep, that's the one.
  2. John of Japan

    Fundamentalism, How to describe it

    Okay. But not my experience, and certainly not the church I am in now. Absolutely wrong. This incident fits the theological definition of legalism, because it assigns a moral equivalent to clothing. That is exactly theological legalism. So I'm thinking you still don't understand what I've been...
  3. John of Japan

    Fundamentalism, How to describe it

    That's a lot of sadness.
  4. John of Japan

    Fundamentalism, How to describe it

    Sorry, I'm in a session and can't answer this right now. Hopefully later. But I will just say that the "cultural" use of "legalism" is an illegitimate and pejorative usage. In other words, it is used in popular culture to accuse and confuse, not to dialogue.
  5. John of Japan

    Fundamentalism, How to describe it

    Oh, yes, that's a compliment, comparing the fundamentalist to a Pharisee. :( No, I never said this and don't agree with it. I don't know where you got that, but it was not from me. And I never talked about "new evangelism," but "New Evangelicalism"--a huge difference. You don't know 20th...
  6. John of Japan

    Fundamentalism, How to describe it

    Personal separation is for the purpose of keeping me from sin. Therefore, for example, modesty (on men and women) keeps from lust. Not watching movies (c. f. John R. Rice and others writing against them back in the 1940s-1950s is to avoid being influenced by copious alcohol use, existentialism...
  7. John of Japan

    Fundamentalism, How to describe it

    The paper I'm listening to being presented now makes the point that all of the early church fathers taught that women always should have a head covering, and not wearing a head covering was immodest. Guess Irenaeus, Tertullian, and all those guys were legalists, eh?
  8. John of Japan

    Fundamentalism, How to describe it

    But isn't Paul appealing? And Peale appalling!
  9. John of Japan

    Fundamentalism, How to describe it

    I Kant tell. :Cool
  10. John of Japan

    Fundamentalism, How to describe it

    Thanks for the clarifications. Sigh. I have to return to the paper being presented on existential theology and worldview. :oops:
  11. John of Japan

    Fundamentalism, How to describe it

    I remember the name, but don't know anything about him. You're probably right, but if so I'm surprised that he was given a doctorate. I don't have time to explain the whole story of where your definition came from, but I will just say:n 1. It's not a theological definition, but a popular one...
  12. John of Japan

    Fundamentalism, How to describe it

    What you are describing here is not legalism according to any theological definition, but more of a cultural definition. It is a way to accuse fundamental Baptists of legalism without any explanation. ("Those guys insist on dresses on women. What legalism!") The only way this description would...
  13. John of Japan

    Fundamentalism, How to describe it

    We fundamentalists strongly object to this view of "legalism." Simply having standards of dress, etc., is not legalism, though many anti-fundamentalists like to say it is. If simply having rules or standards is legalism, then all Baptist churches with a church constitution are legalistic. Here...
  14. John of Japan

    Fundamentalism, How to describe it

    I understand, I think. There are some fundamentalists like you mention, but few in my circles. As for Westboro BC, it is not nor has it ever been a true fundamental Baptist church. I know of no fundamental Baptist which would approve of them, and I know many, many fundamentalists. They are...
  15. John of Japan

    Fundamentalism, How to describe it

    I found Smith online. He is from the "Christian Church," and therefore I reject him as a fundamentalist. The Church of Christ/Christian Church is a separate historical movement from fundamentalism. Furthermore, that movement believes in baptismal regeneration, definitely not a fundamentalist...
  16. John of Japan

    Fundamentalism, How to describe it

    Right now a young prof from Pensacola Theological Seminary is presenting his very interesting paper. He is in the PhD program at Midwestern, an SBC school. Looking at the faculty list at this large fundamentalist seminary, I see a direction away from a strict KJVO view: Graduate Studies Faculty...
  17. John of Japan

    Fundamentalism, How to describe it

    This is a narrow view of modern fundamentalism. There are other fundamental groups: the IFCA, "God's Bible College" in Cincy, the Bible Presbyterians, John Macarthur's group (he told my uncles he was a fundamentalist), conservative SBC leaders (who sometimes would rather not use the term but in...
  18. John of Japan

    Fundamentalism, How to describe it

    Who in the world is Gerald Smith? Never heard of him and I've been a fundamentalist all my life and studied it for years. So you are a conservative evangelical rather than a "New Evangelical."
  19. John of Japan

    Fundamentalism, How to describe it

    In the academic world, we reject Wikipedia because it is anonymous and so often wrong. At my college and seminary, we do not allow the students to use this source, "Got Questions?" and similar sources for research papers. I would rebut this Wikipedia article and its many errors, but it would...
  20. John of Japan

    Fundamentalism, How to describe it

    The main thing I would disagree with here is the equating of fundamentalism with the "Christian right." They are two separate movements, though with some overlap. In about 1978 I attended a "Moral Majority" meeting, and when Falwell (or whoever was in charge) had a Catholic priest lead in...
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