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How is the free gift of salvation free if you have to make a decision to receive it? Some will say this is works or we aided in saving ourselves through this decision. I think we will all agree that the salvation of the Lord is all of His doing and nothing from man, so how can it be free if we...

We agree on what actually counts. We have no problems, Jon. It's just me with my thing against sin. I take my sin as the means in which those nails were driven into His hands. As if there were no other sin in this world but mine, and I'm the reason He hung on that Cross. Sin is a terrible...

Yes, I think it's amazing too. Why did it take so long for man to realize his entire problem with God is sin? And that God's plan of redemption revolves around the problem of sin?

The Scripture had the opposite effect on me through the years. I look back at the early Christians throughout several centuries and wonder if they actually understood the seriousness of sin and how that God hates it for man's sake. It's so serious that only His Son could take it away through a...

I would say all 9 points are dead on the money! I especially like #6 that is one I'm afraid many need to learn! Well done!

No Jon, you're forgetting something that the Calvinists deny. There is a condition to be met that God demands in order to benefit from the atonement for our sins. Do you remember what that condition is?

The Old Covenant with the Ten Commandments was broken by man before Moses could get down off the mountain with the tablets. The New Covenant in Christ is an everlasting Covenant that can't be broken, impossible to be broken. This New Covenant in Christ Jesus is based on His performance...

That's not the way it goes, Martin. We will disagree all the way through this. Christ is the satisfaction for the sins of all of humanity in that Christ has reconciled us to God, making it possible for salvation to take place. The fractured relationship between God and man has been mended so to...

I agree with his view in the video what "you shall surly die" means vs God "killing you" as he put it. As I see it when Adam sinned, the death sentence of spiritual death fell on Adam, this is separation from God, the fractured relationship through disobedience. The physical death would...

You have to make your points as well as I, no offence taken in that, Brother. Yes, I remember he had another view on "you shall surly die." I think he overlooks both a physical death and a spiritual death. He placed the emphasis on the physical death, I place it on the separation from God.

His views make sense to the ear but not according to Scripture. We have to go back to the Garden and see how angry God was with sin. The penalties and reality of the results and seriousness of sin. PSA agrees with what I see taking place, but that's my opinion.

I watched all of the video, Jon. He started out explaining PSA pretty much as I understand it from Scripture. He goes on to explain 7 points of difference in PSA and the Early Church Model (ECM). A lot of hair splitting with analogies taking place. I think anyone here who listens to the video...

This exceeds my expectations of what I was looking for. I'm going to read this again tomorrow before I reply. Thank you Cathode for taking the time to expand my knowledge on this document! I may not agree with some of this, but at least I have a much better understanding of it. Thanks

I'll listen to it in the morning when I'm not so tired, or maybe better said in the morning when my attention span is stronger.

Hey Cathode, glad to hear from you! Things got a little heated with Walter but I don't expect that with you. Go figure I guess, I don't know what happened to be honest. It just goes there sometimes. I would like for you to know I have the utmost respect for Mary. It's my understanding there...

I'm somewht like you, Jon, in that I don't follow the status quo of Doctrine. For example, I may very well be the only one on BB that believes a righteous man declared righteous by God can lose that righteousness, other than the Catholics. The determining factor is not what my denomination...

Jon, I'm no scholar, I'm simple minded in reading much commentary over the years and believing what I see from Scripture. I see no evidence in Scripture of anything other than penal substitution. If someone could point out the alternative from Scripture I would most certainly review it for...

I was always tolerable of those who claimed 4pt. Calvinism, but the 5 pt. make a good argument there is no such thing as a 4pt. Calvinist. I wonder if any of the Calvinists here have been involved on either side of this argument?

That's where that disagreement we have comes from, that thing called free will. Hearing, seeing a need and believing, then granted righteousness.

Contributing to hostility is only natural and all of us at one time or another have contributed to it. That's not an excuse, more like a fact. But yes, I'd like to read what you have.