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  1. Alan Dale Gross

    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    Yeah, and they are Doomed to suffer in the Lake of Fire, Forever. That is the reason I have a theory about how confused practically everyone is regarding the book of Revelation. Revelation describes the Doom of Satan. So, he goes about as a roaring lion seeking whose understanding of it he may...
  2. Alan Dale Gross

    Historic Premillennialism and Daniel’s 70 Weeks

    Now, I will challenge, using William Hendriksen's Classic, "More than Conqueror's"; this is the teaching of Revelation 20:4-6; "...the ‘thousand years’ of Revelation 20 have a Glorious meaning for God’s people on Earth. Nevertheless, the Glories of Heaven during this period far transcend those...
  3. Alan Dale Gross

    Historic Premillennialism and Daniel’s 70 Weeks

    Not in the least. Your verse follows 20:4, which depicts those in Heaven Reigning with Jesus for one thousand years as being exactly where it says they are: Heaven. No mention or suggestion or allusion to anything out the 'Earth', anywhere, for a reason; Jesus' Reign is taking place in Heaven...
  4. Alan Dale Gross

    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    That's like saying "Jesus wasn't a thief", when used in the simile "as a thief in the night". "For yourselves know perfectly that the Day of the Lord so Cometh as a thief in the night", II Thessalonians 5:2. His Heart Melted like wax within Him Pslam 22:14; "I Am Poured Out like water, and...
  5. Alan Dale Gross

    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    Psalm 89 is "maschil", an Instructive Psalm, a Psalm causing to understand; it treats concerning the Covenant of Grace, and the Promises of it; and concerning the Mercy and Faithfulness of God, in Making and Keeping the same; and concerning the Messiah and His seed, His church and people; and...
  6. Alan Dale Gross

    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    New thread: JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.
  7. Alan Dale Gross

    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    Adapted from; A Body of Doctrinal & Practical Divinity by John Gill Doctrinal Divinity~Book 5, Chapter 4: The Passive Obedience of Christ, or of his Sufferings and Death "Let us inquire into the Cause, Reason, and Occasion of the Sufferings and Death of Christ; and how He came to undergo them...
  8. Alan Dale Gross

    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    I can see one reason why anyone would choose to deny "the faith once delivered to the saints", by attempting to substitute something else in the place of Psalm 89:38; "But Thou hast Cast Off and Abhorred, Thou hast been Wroth with Thine Anointed" (KJV), or in other words, "Thou hast been...
  9. Alan Dale Gross

    Historic Premillennialism and Daniel’s 70 Weeks

    I can't take the 'pre' or 'post' millennialist positions seriously, since there is no reference they can produce where Jesus is said to Reign on Earth for a Thousand-years/ a 'millennium', and with having no Biblical basis, they want to claim some belief that is obviously just imagined by the...
  10. Alan Dale Gross

    The Eternal Covenant of Grace.

    Where? Belief in God's Sovereignty includes believing and obeying what God has Revealed in His Word. There are nothing but problems with "hyper", but I don't think they could ever be 'justified' by alleging Gill led them there.* Now, if you want to check and see where it is that he may have...
  11. Alan Dale Gross

    The Eternal Covenant of Grace.

    provided one can not see, or choose to betray God's Word and not profess: And yet, they are predominantly a view of Scripture that Apostates will be hard-pressed to say that they have any knowledge of at all, and if called on to interpret them, will flop and flip like a chicken with its head...
  12. Alan Dale Gross

    The Eternal Covenant of Grace.

    These links refer to a substantial amount of information regarding The Eternal Covenant of Grace, of which the 'TULIP' teachings of the Doctrines of Grace are just a beginning, and are assumed (otherwise, they may be of little use, and all of these types of Glorious Revelations from God in His...
  13. Alan Dale Gross

    Did Jesus suffer God's wrath instead of us?

    When we personally as individuals, were born dead in sin, Jesus had not only been our Surity, Responsible for Suffering the Punishment that our Guilt deserved for sinning against the Thrice Holy, Eternal, and Infinitely Perfect, Creator God of the Universe, but Jesus had already done so, as we...
  14. Alan Dale Gross

    Did Jesus suffer God's wrath instead of us?

    The Elect were born Spiritually Dead, "in trespasses and sins", and were "the children of Wrath even as others", while in their Naturally Born State, as children of Adam. The souls of the Elect were 'generated' as Creations of God in their Natural (first) Birth, and had to be Spiritually...
  15. Alan Dale Gross

    Did Jesus suffer God's wrath instead of us?

    In Eternity Past. "The Council before treated of, is the basis and foundation of the Covenant of Grace, and both relate to the same thing, and in which the same Persons are concerned. "In the former (the Eternal Council) things were contrived, planned, and advised; in the latter (The Council...
  16. Alan Dale Gross

    Did Jesus suffer God's wrath instead of us?

    I see a difference between a purpose to do a thing and the carrying out of that purpose. The LONDON BAPTIST CONFESSION OF FAITH speaks to how a soul that is lost must be Pardoned and, therefore, Given the Righteousness of Christ, prior to God Seeing them having their own Righteousness, as He...
  17. Alan Dale Gross

    Did Jesus suffer God's wrath instead of us?

    I want to address the answer, even though you're not asking me, by applying it to Jesus' Situation, where He was Innocent and how it was in the Mind of God that The Triune Godhead Discussed among Themselves in Eternity Past how Condemned sinners could be Forgiven*. First, this article talks...
  18. Alan Dale Gross

    Did Jesus suffer God's wrath instead of us?

    Indubitably. Amen and Amen. This is what Christianity is, in a nutshell, where no other religion, including most Christian heresies, have no Satisfaction Made to God Who is Offended by their sins, that HE SAYS THAT HE ACCEPTS. Absolutely. I do. Pagons don't. If I may(?), I find this subject...
  19. Alan Dale Gross

    Did Jesus suffer God's wrath instead of us?

    Are you saying that the word 'Wrath' isn't used in a sentence where God is said to have inflicted suffering on Jesus. I came across something about how Jesus' Redemption equals the number of the Elect. Along with several other things of God that are equal to Redemption in their respective...
  20. Alan Dale Gross

    Did Jesus suffer God's wrath instead of us?

    "In short, the wrath of God comes upon men either for their sins against the light of nature, or against the Law of God, or against the Gospel of Christ. "There are some on whom no wrath comes here, nor hereafter; who are the vessels of mercy, afore prepared for glory: concerning whom Jehovah...
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