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Well BF it just shows that you cherry pick verses that you think support your view but actually do not support it. Joh 8:47 is not spoken to those that are saved as Christ was the one speaking to the Scribes and Pharisees. The Scribes and Pharisees rejected the truth that Christ was telling...

The is calvinism not the bible BF. You are trusting in a man-made religion and continue to ignore the clear word of God.

Because that is what we see in scripture BF. His death covered the sins of humanity His resurrection made salvation for all of humanity.

Well since it does not mean that they are deaf then logically it would mean that they will not accept the words of God and we see this is what Christ meant when we read this verse. Joh 8:45 But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me! So we see that they could hear but rejected the truth.

Then if one is saved prior to trusting in Christ then everyone is saved as no one trusted in Christ prior to actually doing so. Also if one is saved prior to trusting in Christ why is faith even necessary? Your logic is flawed BF. To correct your comment BF. Only those that have freely...

Why do you ask for a negative verse when you will not believe the positive verse?

There is your error BF you have people saved before they even trust in the risen Christ.

I actually believe what the bible says but I reject what your calvinist view say the bible says.

1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, Why would I BF? That is just what I have been telling you over and over and which you have...

And you ignore the one that says we are saved by His life. You have a strange view on salvation BF.

@Ben1445 you have to understand that the concept of free will is beyond the ability of @Mikoo to grasp. Or at least that is what he wants us to think so that he can hold to his deterministic view.

When Isaiah says: "If you consent and obey, {then} You will eat the best of the land; "But if you refuse and rebel, {then} You will be devoured by the sword." Isa_1:19 NSAB Isaiah clearly assumes, first, that his hearers are able to obey and also able to persist in rebellion; he assumes...

If you want to wave the white flag that is your choice. Your continued rejection of biblical free will is either done via your free will or by divine determinism. Which is it @Mikoo ? Before you answer you should think through the logical outcome of your response.

The bible defends what I wrote. You are coming across as childish by your repeated asking the same question because you do not like the answer given. You asked why someone would choose God a while others reject Him. There are only two options, free will and determinism. Since you have rejected...

Not a dodge just what I see from your comments. Not a matter of being superior as free will is just that free will. Each person has to exercise their own free will just as you have every time you respond, well that is unless you think all your responses were determined beforehand by God...

You have shown by your comments that you do not want to have a real discussion. You ignore the truth of scripture and twist what I have posted. But you are not the first childish calvinist I have seen on this or other boards. Your questions have been answered but you just do not like the answers.

Actually from what you have written I am not sure you even know what you believe. Since you have rejected free will that only leaves determinism. So you actually do not have the ability to make real arguments as that requires the ability to evaluate evidence for or against various positions...

Wrong, even those who have hardened their hearts would be forgiven if they would freely trust in Him. What is it with you calvinists that you have to lie about what people post. As I have said B4 FREE WILL. Do you not understand what free will is? God foreknows all those that will freely...

You keep asking the same question and reject the clear answers because they do not say what you want to hear. God allows anyone to come to Him who chooses to come to Him. You seem to forget that we were all at one time lost sinners. By the wording in your question I would have to conclude that...

Well it is either free will or determinism so if you reject free will then you must think all things are determined. But if man has no free will and all things are determined then God has to have determined all the sin and evil in the world and we know that is not true so your determinism is...