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It is not a question of whether augustine brought those pagan views into the church, it is historical fact. You are denying history as you do not like what is shows you. I rejected the DoG/TULIP before I knew that auguistine brought pagan views into the church. The DoG/TULIP do not align...

Dave that is just what I have been saying but it seems to have gone over BF's head. Rom 10:13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be...

Wrong BF God, I have said this over and over but it seem to go right over your head. Only God saves but He only saves those that freely trust in Him. That is a concept that you just cannot grasp BF either that or you just refuse to accept it. His desire is that all will be saved, that is...

BF you did not even address the question. Try again So did He save all those ethnic groups BF? Remember it does not say *to save some people* but "to save His people"

You need to spend more time reading the bible and less time reading your calvinistic teachers BF.

So did He save all those ethnic groups BF? Remember it does not say *to save some people* but "to save His people" I believe in the Jesus we find in scripture not the one you have found in your calvinism.

You just keep proving that you do not know your bible very well BF. You may know your calvinism quite well but the bible not so much.

Well since all the Jews were not saved then that must mean that you have misunderstood what this verse is telling us. Christ was the savior for all His people but only those that freely trusted in Him would be saved. Or do you think people that do not believe are saved?

Only for those that believe BF. God has provide the possibility for all to be saved but not all are saved are they. Your view smacks of universalism BF.

BF you seem to think you know better than God. Just a tad arrogant of you.

FAITH = the assurance of what we hope for and the certainty of what we do not see. Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, If you do not believe then you will not...

I do not have to trust in a man-made philosophy BF. I leave that for you to do.

The bible disagree with your calvinist view BF. Act 17:24-31 Act_17:27 that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; Heb 11:1-40 Heb_11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must...

Sorry Ken that is just your misreading of the text. God foreknows all that will freely trust in Him but He has not chosen who will do so.

What is the claim against Christ as savior BF? I know you like to make a number of open ended comments but you should try to explain what you are talking about.

So why do you not accept the truth of scripture BF?

So since Christ said He would draw all people to Himself if He were lifted up and He was does that mean that all people are saved? Mat 1:21 "She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins." Since the Jews are His people are all the Jews saved?

Morning David I understand that you think the bible supports the DoG/TULIP. But what I do not understand is why anyone would hold to that view when we know from historical fact that the views are based on pagan philosophy? Augustine brought those false ideas into the church and then calvin and...

That is odd coming from you as you have said you hold to the DoG/TULIP which if you took the time to look you would see that the source of that comes from augustine when he brought pagan philosophy into the church. If you want to claim you find your views in scripture my question for you is...

I know you are not blind as you actually respond to written text so I have to conclude that you are just ignoring what I have said. Only God saves but He only saves those that believe. Jesus made salvation possible for the whole world. It seems you have a problem with that. Eph 2:8 For it is...