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Study 2 Thessalonians 2:13

Silverhair

Silverhair

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canadyjd said:
My doctrine comes from scripture and only scripture.

Your “theory” of where my beliefs come from is simply wrong. I haven’t quoted anything other than scripture.

Peace to you
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That is odd coming from you as you have said you hold to the DoG/TULIP which if you took the time to look you would see that the source of that comes from augustine when he brought pagan philosophy into the church.

If you want to claim you find your views in scripture my question for you is, where?

I have been on this board long enough to see that the verses that are used in support of calvinism just do not hold water.
 
David Lamb

David Lamb

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Silverhair said:
That is odd coming from you as you have said you hold to the DoG/TULIP which if you took the time to look you would see that the source of that comes from augustine when he brought pagan philosophy into the church.

If you want to claim you find your views in scripture my question for you is, where?

I have been on this board long enough to see that the verses that are used in support of calvinism just do not hold water.
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But people like me who believe the Doctrines of Grace do so because they find them in the bible. In your view, the bible passages we use don't hold water. Obviously that is so, because if you believed, as we do, that they do hold water, you would believe the Doctrines of Grace.
 
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Van

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Brightfame52 said:
Man by nature does not seek after God Romans 3:11
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Once again this person pretends to not believe many will seek the narrow door. Why is this level of hypocrisy allowed from those professing they believe all of scripture, scripture alone, and not just cherry picked and misrepresented verses?
 
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Martin Marprelate

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Van said:
Once again this person pretends to not believe many will seek the narrow door. Why is this level of hypocrisy allowed from those professing they believe all of scripture, scripture alone, and not just cherry picked and misrepresented verses?
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I think you are misunderstanding the timeline of Luke 13:24ff. Look at verse 24 in the light of verse 25, and you will hopefully get the idea.
In fact our Lord promises that everyone who seeks, finds etc. (Matt. 7:7-11). The only qualification is that the verbs are in the Present tense, which in Greek usually denotes continuity. 'Everyone who keeps on seeking, finds.'
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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David Lamb said:
But people like me who believe the Doctrines of Grace do so because they find them in the bible. In your view, the bible passages we use don't hold water. Obviously that is so, because if you believed, as we do, that they do hold water, you would believe the Doctrines of Grace.
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Morning David

I understand that you think the bible supports the DoG/TULIP. But what I do not understand is why anyone would hold to that view when we know from historical fact that the views are based on pagan philosophy?

Augustine brought those false ideas into the church and then calvin and others just carried them forward.
 
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Brightfame52

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Van said:
Once again this person pretends to not believe many will seek the narrow door. Why is this level of hypocrisy allowed from those professing they believe all of scripture, scripture alone, and not just cherry picked and misrepresented verses?
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Once again man by nature does not seek after God nor understand God Rom 3:11

Man by nature does not seek after God Romans 3:11
 
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Van

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Martin Marprelate said:
I think you are misunderstanding the timeline of Luke 13:24ff. Look at verse 24 in the light of verse 25, and you will hopefully get the idea.
In fact our Lord promises that everyone who seeks, finds etc. (Matt. 7:7-11). The only qualification is that the verbs are in the Present tense, which in Greek usually denotes continuity. 'Everyone who keeps on seeking, finds.'
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No one seeks God at any time is the Calvinist take on Romans 3:11, rather than no one seeks all the time or when they are sinning.

The Lost should strive to accomplish entry through Christ for many will seek in the future and not be able. The idea is the Lost have the opportunity now, but not necessarily in the future, they could physically die, or their heart could be hardened. No sane person can fit the total inability to ever seek after God with the verse!
 
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Van

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Brightfame52 said:
Once again man by nature does not seek after God nor understand God Rom 3:11

Man by nature does not seek after God Romans 3:11
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Only a mentally challenged individual would claim Luke 13:24 does not teach the lost seek God, and therefore Romans 3:11 does NOT teach the lost never seeks God at any time.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Once again man by nature does not seek after God nor understand God Rom 3:11

Man by nature does not seek after God Romans 3:11
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The bible disagree with your calvinist view BF.


Act 17:24-31
Act_17:27 that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;

Heb 11:1-40
Heb_11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
The bible disagree with your calvinist view BF.


Act 17:24-31
Act_17:27 that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;

Heb 11:1-40
Heb_11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.
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The natural man doesn't seek after God Rom 3:11
 
David Lamb

David Lamb

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Silverhair said:
Morning David

I understand that you think the bible supports the DoG/TULIP. But what I do not understand is why anyone would hold to that view when we know from historical fact that the views are based on pagan philosophy?

Augustine brought those false ideas into the church and then calvin and others just carried them forward.
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But you are arguing in circles. You already believe the doctrines are false, based on pagan philosophy, so of course you will say that Augustine must have brought them in from paganism. Calvin backs up his teachings from Scripture, as do all the confessions of faith based on those doctrines (for example the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith and the Westminster Confession).
 
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