Study 2 Thessalonians 2:13

[Silverhair]

So in the beginning of Gen 1:1 it's before man was created. The elect are chosen to salvation before man was created

Not what the bible says BF. It is sad that so many om this board have fallen for the false teachings of calvinism. Even those that say they preach the word of God seem to have fallen for the ruse.

 

[Van]

Not what the bible says BF. It is sad that so many om this board have fallen for the false teachings of calvinism. Even those that say they preach the word of God seem to have fallen for the ruse.

I do not believe these posters do not know "in the beginning" is used to refer to the beginning of the New Covenant. Check out Philippians 4:15

 

[Brightfame52]

Yes, there are none who seek after God at all times

All times by nature

 

[Brightfame52]

That's of creation BF, did you really not know this?

That's the beginning Gen 1:1

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Chosen from the beginning 2 Thess 2:13

But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

 

[Brightfame52]

Not what the bible says BF. It is sad that so many om this board have fallen for the false teachings of calvinism. Even those that say they preach the word of God seem to have fallen for the ruse.

See 2 Thess 2:13 seems you don't receive the testimony of scripture

 

[Silverhair]

That's the beginning Gen 1:1

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Chosen from the beginning 2 Thess 2:13

But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Two different things BF creation and salvation. But since you do have an odd view of when one is saved I can understand your confusion.

Were the Thessalonians saved prior to responding to the gospel message as preached by Paul?

 

[Silverhair]

See 2 Thess 2:13 seems you don't receive the testimony of scripture

See 2Th 2:1-17 seems you do not study verses in context BF.

 

[Brightfame52]

Two different things BF creation and salvation

Lol no it's not., in fact Barnes wrote:

But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you; - see the notes on 2 Thessalonians 1:3. "Because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation." The following important things are affirmed or implied here:
(1) That God had chosen or elected them (εἵλετο heileto) to salvation. The doctrine of election, therefore, is true.

(2) that this was from "the beginning" ἀπ ̓ ἀρχῆς ap' archēs; that is, from eternity; see the John 1:1 note; Ephesians 1:4; Ephesians 3:9-11 notes. The doctrine of eternal election is, therefore, true.

(3) that this was the choice of the persons to whom Paul referred. The doctrine of personal election is, therefore, true

2 Thessalonians 2:13 Commentaries: But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

 

[Brightfame52]

See 2Th 2:1-17 seems you do not study verses in context BF.

Are those in 2 Thess 2:12 the same ones in 2 Thess 2:13?

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

 

[Silverhair]

Lol no it's not., in fact Barnes wrote:

2 Thessalonians 2:13 Commentaries: But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

BF one is only elect when they are in the "Elect One" Christ Jesus. 2Th 2:13 is not saying anything different than that BF.

 

[Silverhair]

Are those in 2 Thess 2:12 the same ones in 2 Thess 2:13?

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

If you had read 2Th 2:1-17 then you would know that there are some who refused the love of the truth that would have saved them 2Th 2:10-12 and some who are saved 2Th 2:1-7 we ask you, brothers, not to be easily disconcerted.

 

[Brightfame52]

BF one is only elect when they are in the "Elect One" Christ Jesus. 2Th 2:13 is not saying anything different than that BF.

Sorry you flat out don't receive the truth

 

[Brightfame52]

If you had read 2Th 2:1-17 then you would know that there are some who refused the love of the truth that would have saved them 2Th 2:10-12 and some who are saved 2Th 2:1-7 we ask you, brothers, not to be easily disconcerted.

Are they the same people yes or no?

 

[Silverhair]

Sorry you flat out don't receive the truth

What you should have said BF is that I do not receive what calvinist's call the truth. I actually believe the word of God not your twisted version of it BF.

 

[Silverhair]

Are they the same people yes or no?

Can you not understand clear English BF?

Try reading it slowly this time.

If you had read 2Th 2:1-17 then you would know that there are some who refused the love of the truth that would have saved them 2Th 2:10-12 and some who are saved 2Th 2:1-7 we ask you, brothers, not to be easily disconcerted.

 

[Brightfame52]

What you should have said BF is that I do not receive what calvinist's call the truth. I actually believe the word of God not your twisted version of it BF.

It's right there in front of you and you say no thanks, to the truth.

 

[Brightfame52]

Can you not understand clear English BF?

Try reading it slowly this time.

If you had read 2Th 2:1-17 then you would know that there are some who refused the love of the truth that would have saved them 2Th 2:10-12 and some who are saved 2Th 2:1-7 we ask you, brothers, not to be easily disconcerted.

Are they the same people yes or no?

 

[canadyjd]

Well since we know from history where your theory came from, pagan philosophy, is it any wonder that your religion is at odds with the word of God.

For the sake of your soul do the research into the foundations of the religion that you hold. It is not the bible but rather pagan philosophy.

If you think I am wrong then do the hard work and prove me wrong. But I doubt you will.

My doctrine comes from scripture and only scripture.

Your “theory” of where my beliefs come from is simply wrong. I haven’t quoted anything other than scripture.

Peace to you

 

[Silverhair]

It's right there in front of you and you say no thanks, to the truth.

Correct it is right there in front of you and you do not receive the truth. It seems you build your theories one single verses taken out of context.

 

[Silverhair]

Are they the same people yes or no?

This is a test for you BF. Try to figure out whether they are or not. The text is clear but it seems to be beyond you to be able to find the answer.

See if this makes it easier for you

If you had read 2Th 2:1-17 then you would know
that there are some who refused the love of the truth that would have saved them 2Th 2:10-12
and some who are saved 2Th 2:1-7 we ask you, brothers, not to be easily disconcerted.
Now if you can't figure it out then you really have a problem.