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Believe the the word of God as written in context or as you have been told it means Z? What Beeke or Smalley think the word of God means is just that - what they think the word of God means. They add their own understanding to the word of God as we see in the first words you quoted from them...

As I said you do not have to believe me but you do need to believe the word of God. But as your OP shows, you have more trust in what some men, Joel R. Beeke and Paul M. Smalley, have said the word of God means than what the actual word of God says.

Contrary to you I do not trust everything that comes from man but I do trust all that comes from the word of God. You do not like what JonC says so you disparage him just as you do all who disagree with your false philosophy. What false hood Z? Surely you have a list.

Any time that I post scripture that shows the error your or @canadyjd view you make the same type of comment. It matters not if you believe me but you should believe the word of God.

Care to explain how "Day and night you were anxious for the whole brotherhood, that the number of God's elect might be saved with mercy and a good conscience." points to unconditional election? I want the whole number of God's elect to be saved but that does not mean that I support the...

Z you are not in the position to question whether one is a dishonest poster. You should take a serious look at your own posts first before you accuse others of doing what you do.

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Good thing we have tough hides.

I agree. But it is just a bit of a hassle to keep pointing them to scripture and then have them come back with some of the wall twisted view of the text. If you do not understand the verse in context then you do not understand the verse at all.

That has to one of the most illogical comments I have seen you make. If they were biblically studied believers then they would not be using out of context verses in the attempt to support their view. Sorry you are not able to see the truth.

I have pointed you back to the word of God a number of times but you still hold to the DoG/TULIP even when it is in disagreement with scripture. I have also asked you to actually check out the foundations of your theological view, I doubt that you have as then you would have to rethink what you...

I do not have to read your mind to see where your false theology leads @canadyjd. You think you were pick out prior to creation so you must assume there was something special about you or why would you be picked and not someone else. What was so special about you that He showed mercy to you and...

Never ceases to amaze me how you are so self-unaware of how false that philosophy you follow is even in the face of biblical and historical fact.

I gave you that information so you cannot say you do not know that augustine brought false pagan philosophy into the church. And you know that calvin and those that came after him carried those views forward. To me a troll is someone that continues to deny clear scripture and the facts of...

Only God saves @canadyjd. The difference between us is that you think you were so special that He picked you out prior to creation before you even believed and I choose to believe the bible when it tells us that when we hear the gospel message and believe it then God saves us. God gave us a...

Were told to correct our brothers when they have a false understanding @canadyjd. Just doing that by pointing out your error.

Odd that for something supposedly clearly taught in scripture it had to be brought into the church from pagan philosophy in the 4th century. Your DoG/TULIP stands in opposition to the word of God. The fact you cannot not see this is shocking.

Not necessarily. They may desire to run away from danger,eg a fire, but will run into the fire to save someone. That is free will in action. Making a choice between different possible courses of action And that is why when presenting the gospel message to a group some will choose to reject God...

That is not what free will means @canadyjd.

That is what you have been told by your calvinist teachers Tea. But that is not what we find in scripture Again that is your calvinism speaking which is at odds with the bible. Not biblical Tea. Read Eph 2:8 by grace through faith. Actually Joh 3:13-17 stand in direct contrast to all that you...