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That you have clearly misunderstood vs 4 is what cause you so many problems Z. Why do you read verses in isolation. As you rightly said 3-14 is one sentence so must be read that way. God's plan is that we would be chosen in Christ and Paul lays out the means for us to be in Christ, faith in Him...

Care to explain how faith is a work? What does Eph 1:13-14 say? we hear the gospel we believe the gospel and God saves us. We see the same thing in Rom 10:9-10. And what about Rom 1:16 the gospel is the power of God to salvation for those that believe. I should add what John said: Joh 20:31...

When have I said I do not understand Eph 1 Z? More than once I have pointed out the error of calvinists in regard to Eph 1. I have said that I do not understand how someone that claims to trust the bible, such as you Z, can misunderstand Eph 1 or many other verses in God's word.

If you listen to most calvinists they will tell you they were elected before creation based on their misunderstanding of Eph 1:4. Following their logic if one is elected before creation then there was not the possibility that they would end up in hell, in other words they were saved. For the...

I believe the gospel as shown in scripture BF. I do not agree with the false gospel that comes from calvinist philosophy.

Were they chosen to salvation KY? NO they were not. They were chosen for service to God. No one is elect until they are in the "Elect One".

Were those babies sinners KY? Being called to service is not being called to salvation. One is only elect when they are in the "Elect One" Christ Jesus.

I have looked. The misuse of scripture to support your views does not make your views correct. Calvinism starts from a flawed position so you can only expect a flawed result.

If a calvinist explained the gospel according to their TULIP/DoG how many people do you think would be saved. There in lays the problem for them. What they would have to preach would not be good news. But what do they preach? They have to present a gospel that contradicts their whole theology...

And there is your problem Z, you believe the confessions when you should be believing the word of God.

I notice that John Brine keeps referring to "elect infants" but since one is only elect when they are in Christ Jesus that seems to be a rather odd comment. But this still does not answer the problem of all have sinned in Adam. If this is a correct understanding of Gen 3:17-19 then the infants...

Get your head out of the said Z. Your comments just show how indoctrinated you are.

You should look in the mirror if you want to see the person that has been deceived. I learned trust the word of God whereas you have learned to trust the word of man.

So if TULIP says nothing about infants then how do you deal with this Ken. Article IV."he sinning, all his posterity sinned in him, and came short of the glory of God; the guilt of whose sin is imputed, and a corrupt nature derived, to all his offspring, descending from him by ordinary and...

So now you want to play word games Ken. The church you attend Grace Baptist Church of Ruston, Louisiana. Is that better.

The DoG/TULIP is not taught in scripture Ken. You may not have read any of calvin but you still hold to what he and following calvinists taught. As for the quotes in my post, those all came form the articles of faith of your church which I am sure you agree with. So it would seem that you do...

Well since I have been a christian for over 65 years and only heard of calvinism about 10 or 12 years ago it would be rather hard to have been snared as you say. I do not agree with your Dog/TULIP because it is not a biblical doctrine but rather a man-made theory of God's salvation plan.

Logically if it is false then it is not good news is it and thus not the gospel. That is the point I was making Ken. And is the same point that Paul was making.

I just did a search for one of your sovereign grace churches. But I did look at your churches articles of faith. This is what I found, not as clearly as in some statements but it is there. IV {Total {Inability} Depravity} "...they are by their first birth carnal and unclean, averse to all...

Ken you have made an error in your understanding of that passage. Paul is telling us that there are not two or more gospels. There is only one true gospel. Note Paul's words; Gal 1:6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different...