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    Doctrine, and church membership

    Thank you for that thought. Now I have to try and consider this sentiment with what some others have said in the opposite direction. This is a crucial decision for me.
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    Doctrine, and church membership

    Thank you, dear brother. Excellent post!
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    Doctrine, and church membership

    Baptism -- I was immersed, but as a baby. Was about to have "believer's baptism" last spring, until Covid hit.
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    Doctrine, and church membership

    100% correct and factual!
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    Doctrine, and church membership

    A very intelligent and helpful post. And, yes, I regret to see that my question veered into a debate on the validity of PSA, etc. Although, some of the posts that have come as a result of that have been helpful and enlightening.
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    Doctrine, and church membership

    Amazing. Thank you. Finally, someone who knows early church history and theology!
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    Doctrine, and church membership

    Yeah, I just asked him to do that. He thinks he recognizes me, but I know I recognize him. Oh, not him personally, but I recognize the type. I have encountered his type elsewhere -- nasty, pharisaical, accusing without cause. Yes, even my native Orthodoxy had folks like him.
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    Doctrine, and church membership

    Thank you for your positive, encouraging, helpful post! I will attempt to do as you suggest.
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    Doctrine, and church membership

    Chris has died. Christ has risen. Christ will come again. Christ came to give His life as a ransom for many. As I said, none of the scriptures you cited teach PSA. Read the definition of PSA.
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    Doctrine, and church membership

    Don't know what you're talking about. Who do you say I am? Also, for a "Rev.", you don't know church history or theology, do you?
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    Doctrine, and church membership

    No, it is not. None of the verses you have quoted support PSA. Do you know the definition of PSA?
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    Doctrine, and church membership

    On the contrary, it could be correctly said that churches which teach PSA are not NT churches. PSA is not even a Christian doctrine. It has more in common with ancient paganism.
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    Doctrine, and church membership

    Thank you for this post. Good food for thought!
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    Doctrine, and church membership

    Oh, but you are definite and clear, my friend. I find it astonishing that a Baptist holds to such a clear view of what the early church taught about the atonement. Your statements are historically and theologically correct about this. The idea of "satisfaction" was unknown in the early church...
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    Doctrine, and church membership

    Yes, the first century churches taught the NT, and they didn't teach PSA, as they did not see it in the NT. It took 1500 years before Westerners saw it there.
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    Doctrine, and church membership

    I don't know. I do know that I deny PSA, among other Western atonement doctrines.
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    Doctrine, and church membership

    But I see you still identify as a Baptist. That's good, that you know what you are, where you fit in or belong. I don't attend church right now for two reasons: Covid, and because I don't know where I belong, if there is any such place.
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    Doctrine, and church membership

    I'm sorry to hear that. I know what you mean about time and travel limitations, as I find myself in the same boat. So you are not able to attend church then?
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    Doctrine, and church membership

    My grandparents were immigrants to the USA from Eastern Europe. They were Orthodox there and stayed Orthodox after moving here, although surrounded by Roman Catholics and Protestants. They never could get used to how their neighbors viewed God and man. The Eastern mindset is so different from...
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    Doctrine, and church membership

    This is enlightening, and it does help. There are a few non-denominational churches. They are Pentecostal in doctrine. I believe in all the spiritual gifts mentioned in the New Testament, but I differ in how I view these as compared to traditional Pentecostal views.
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