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Wrong. Not voting for life tarnishes our witness. Not voting against the racism of the social justice movement tarnishes our witness. Equivocating goodness and wickedness tarnishes our witness. Being weak and neutral in the face of wickedness tarnishes our witness.

As citizens we have authority in appointing governing authorities. That authority that is normally for monarchs. Paul said all authority is from God. We can only conclude our electoral authority is from God. It's amazing that some here would call this sin.

It does and you've been given several examples. You've merely hardened your heart toward it and bought into heresy.

You'd, at the very least, see them defending pro-slaver voters.

Amen, and it doesn't stop there. The social justice, guilt and innocence by proxy, is also ingrained in their platform. This is real bigotry and racism. We see it playing out right now in the murder of police officers. David Platt on co. did something interesting in this false doctrine...

Unbiblical. How you got this in your head I'm not sure, but nothing in Scripture backs this up.

And still no explanation. Just an accusation. Who are you accusing? What example are you giving? Accusation like this are nothing more than bearing false witness. You're outing yourself.

How so? Do you believe it's idolatrous to vote? To run for office? Or to advocate for life? Or for equal justice? Is it idolatrous for David Platt to advocate for Social Justice—a political movement? Is he idolatrous in this stance? Do you believe Paul was being idolatrous when he...

He's the head of one.

What does this mean? What exactly did they refuse to do? They never, like Paul, appealed to Caesar? Never advocated for mercy for anyone? This would be crazy and unbiblical. How can you possibly believe this? They knew Paul's opinions about these matters. If you're merely suggesting...

BTW, Jon, your are not making the same argument Platt makes, nor drawing the same conclusion. He says unequivocally, we should participate in politics. You're actually arguing against participation (which you claim is yoking with unbelievers). I think it's at least fair to admit you're no...

So they never worked for an unbeliever? They never engaged in business with unbelievers? They never joined unbelievers in anything good they were trying to accomplish? This whole argument is absurd. The fact that God didn't create a Christian nation but rather commanded Churches to live in...

Exactly. And Scripture doesn't not use the language you use. It speaks of men dying spiritually, killed by the law. It never uses the language you're using.

The early Church deemed the Republican and Democrat parties equally godless? I highly doubt it, since they didn't even know what a representative republic was. Regardless, EC views are irrelevant. Also irrelevant to the discussion. The issue is, do we do good and refrain from evil in all...

I'm just amazed at the following these men have. I think this crisis, however, is waking up the Church.

All have spiritually died from sin. Rom. 7:4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. The law kills. Adam was spiritually killed by the...

And this hypothetical trajectory is grounds to be godless ourselves? And stand down against evil? Take that one before God, and good luck. Yes, this is exactly the argument Platt makes. Doesn't matter how good or bad a party is. If they don't endorse Christ, we don't join them in whatever...

So you believe that morality doesn't matter? The Church shouldn't speak out against evil and for the innocent? I'm surprise you would admit this outright, considering my post. I expect some to at least deny Platt teaches this BTW, Platt is also a Social Justice proponent, doing marches etc...

John MacArthur Says the US ‘Is in a Moral Free-Fall’ John MacArthur Says the US ‘Is in a Moral Free-Fall’ I agree. That's not may main concern though. More concerning is a large segment of the church urging Christians to stand down. They don't believe it's important anymore to preach...

What other church leaders? The abortion issue is largely ignored today. Many pastors go out of their way to make abortion voters comfortable in their Church. They'll acknowledge abortion is wrong, but then equate it with other issues like gun control. I've heard precious few talk about the...