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  1. Tsalagi

    Individual Election and Corporate Election

    I certainly can, since I read chapter 1 first, especially verses 12-15. Chapter 2 happens after chapter 1.
  2. Tsalagi

    Between two Robbers...

    I see. So you believe it was in the power of the scribes and Pharisees to shut off salvation from people, and prevent people from being saved? Wow. People will be in the lake of fire because they were prevented by other people from being saved - that's your belief? That may be, but the verb...
  3. Tsalagi

    Individual Election and Corporate Election

    Adam's response to God in the garden is nowhere said to be "an effect of God's work" in him. Reading that idea into Adam and into salvation isn't biblical. Think about Passover; a clear picture of salvation (1 Corinthians 5:7). Who put the blood on the doorposts? If God were a Calvinist the...
  4. Tsalagi

    Between two Robbers...

    Salvation is not something we strive to enter into (Luke 13:24), that would be salvation by works. The context of Matthew 7 and Luke 13 is how believers should live, not how unbelievers should get saved. Ignoring context is a good way to "nullify" Scripture, so let's not do that.
  5. Tsalagi

    Redemption

    Scripture supports the five points only if the adjectives are removed. ;) Yes, you did conflate saving and living faith. You did so by quoting Romans 4:23-25 as support for what happens at salvation, when that is manifestly NOT what Paul is talking about. Abraham (already saved) believed the...
  6. Tsalagi

    Between two Robbers...

    It is an unbiblical false doctrine to read eternal salvation into Matthew 7:13-14, especially given its parallel in Luke 13:24. This has already been explained at length.
  7. Tsalagi

    Individual Election and Corporate Election

    It's not muddy, and there is no "man's work" to emphasize. God initiates, man responds. Response is not work. Accepting life in the face of death is not meritorious. Salvation by grace through faith is all of God, no credit to man. So why do you mischaracterize faith as works, in direct...
  8. Tsalagi

    Individual Election and Corporate Election

    I appreciate your reasonable and scriptural response. Sorry you're leaving the discussion, but perhaps I can offer a few parting thoughts from a different perspective. There is no question that only those to whom it was given were able to come to Christ. This invites a scriptural study of what...
  9. Tsalagi

    Individual Election and Corporate Election

    Sorry, no. This is manifestly NOT what Ephesians 2:8 says. The feminine noun pistis (faith) in that verse prohibits your conclusion. The gift spoken of is neuter, not feminine. Neuter is used to refer to abstract concepts, in this case the entirety of salvation by grace through faith, not...
  10. Tsalagi

    Individual Election and Corporate Election

    Not in my Bible. God called TO Adam in his fear and shame, and Adam responded. There is no "out of" in the passage. If Adam could not go against God's will, how did he ever sin in the first place? Read Genesis 2:16-17 - that's the will of God for Adam. Your final statement is a conjecture...
  11. Tsalagi

    Redemption

    You have cited Galatians 3:9 and 13 multiple times in this thread; it is disingenuous to talk about faith being "credited" as righteousness while referencing that chapter and claim verse 6 (the "context") wasn't specifically cited. This is distraction over substance. Please try supporting the...
  12. Tsalagi

    Individual Election and Corporate Election

    Sorry, my previous reply was a bit cryptic. What I'm getting at is this: if God created the angels and Adam perfect, I see only one explanation for their fall. The flaw is not in their nature, created perfect by God, but in their own free choice. The Bible clearly shows that a perfect creature...
  13. Tsalagi

    Individual Election and Corporate Election

    Thanks Dave. I am fully aware of the context. As noted in #75, God's dealings with Israel were a picture for all nations: their physical life and death, prosperity and judgment, based on their choice for faith and obedience or the alternative. I invite you to point out any other means of...
  14. Tsalagi

    Individual Election and Corporate Election

    Adam was spiritually dead in the garden at the point he ate the fruit, and not physically dead. We agree on this point. Adam, spiritually dead, responded to God's call in the garden. Your argument seems to conflate a spiritually dead person's inability with that of a physically dead person.They...
  15. Tsalagi

    Individual Election and Corporate Election

    You have not addressed Adam's response to God's call in the garden while "dead in trespasses and sins."
  16. Tsalagi

    Individual Election and Corporate Election

    Lazarus is not a picture of man "dead in trespasses and sins." He represents "Whoever believes in Me will live, even though he dies" - Jesus said so (John 11:25-26).
  17. Tsalagi

    Individual Election and Corporate Election

    I respectfully recommend thinking more Bible and less fiction. "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing. Therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live, and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to...
  18. Tsalagi

    Redemption

    Paul says obtaining salvation by grace through faith provides no grounds for boasting. Faith is not a work, much less a good work, thus nothing to boast about. Since faith is not a good work, there is no reason why a fallen man cannot exercise it. Calvinists in particular seem to have enormous...
  19. Tsalagi

    Individual Election and Corporate Election

    An imaginative scenario, but again: why wasn't Adam dead on the garden floor after his sin, unable to see, hear, etc.? There is simply no biblical foundation for your characterization. Please see Ezekiel 33:12-20. Is God inconsistent?
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