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Hang one, do you believe that all sinful humans have a FREE WILL? You say here, "he cannot because he WILL not", this is only possible if he had the FREE capacity to DO or NOT! However, the fact that "Calvinism" and others, teach that the will of man is "bound", thereby making them incapable of...

Yes another abuse of Ephesians 1:4! WHERE in this verse, or chapter, does it say anything about "election TO salvation"? This is what the verse says: "even as He chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him. In love" It is God's...

Complete rubbish! I do not believe that "total inability" is anywhere found in the Word of God, otherwise the offer of the Gospel to the entire human race would be no more than a farce! In fact, since the Gospel is the Good News that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, it is only sincere...

All I am saying is that the Five Points of Calvinism, as they are known, were a reaction to what Jakob Hermanszoon had put forward after his research into reformed theology.

They stand or fall together, that is why they were presented as FIVE POINTS, which were a response to the Reformed theologian, Jakob Hermanszoon.

The "elect", or "chosen ones" are those who have repented and been converted by the Holy Spirit, and then become part of the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ. When this takes place, they are "elected". It it after they are converted and not before. The individuals who are saved, "join" the...

Limited Atonement "binds" T.U.I., "P" is on its own. As the Bible clearly teaches that Jesus Christ did "tasted death for each and every person", "L" is a non-starter, and "T.U.I." fall!

So, why is "election" as when a sinner is converted and becomes part of the invisible Church of the Lord Jesus Christ, wrong? Our English word "Church" is from the Greek, "ἐκκλησία", which means the "called-out-ones", which is akin to "ἔκκλητος" (elect). There is nothing in the entire New...

I really don't see how you or anyone else use the term "Five Point Calvinism", and include "Limited Atonement", when John Calvin himself never believed or taught this! This is very clear from his comments on passages like Mark 14:24; John 3:16; Colossians 1:14, etc. So to us this phrase is...

Scriptures? Why do you think that God has chosen you? Are you any better than the next person? Israel were also "chosen" by God as His people, and look what happened to these "elect"! Too much theology has been assumed about the "elect" in the New Testament, most of which is nothing more than...

indeed, well written!

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Not so, he is being honest by saying what the Holy Bible actually teaches, rather than promoting some man-made theology! :Biggrin

Sure it is all about God, no one is denying that. However, every human being from Adam till the last person on this earth, is "worthy" of only one thing, and that is "eternal punishment". No person is "worthy" of being with God! "There is none righteous, no, not one" (Romans 3:10). God owes us...

If uncle Billy is not one of the "elect", according to some, he can listen to a MILLION messages and "altar calls", but he CANNOT be saved, because God has not so enabled him! This is the "gospel" according to "Calvinists/Reformed", but THANK God, Not according to the Holy Bible!

Not really. I see that Calvinists are content in arguing their case whatever the evidence might be, and try to find ways to step aside what the Bible actually does say. There is little point in arguing about "theology", especially where it is clear that this matters more than what Scripture says!

Yes I have read it. For example it says about God's purpose of election in the SERVICE of Jacob and Esau, where the older shall SERVE the younger. No mention of salvation! Even Pharaohs heart being hardened, was for the Glory of God, and has NOTHING to do with any salvation! The vessels of...

OK, so you have cut and pasted from Romans 9, what of it? spell it out!

You missed the most important part of verse 15, "they have closed their eyes"! It was not because Jesus did not want them not to understand and not get saved, which you guys are trying hard to find in the Bible, But THEY CLOSED THEIR EYES to the Truth! Paul says the same in 2 Thessalonians 2:10...

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