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    Question for Arminians

    RB, I think I would agree that noone would come to Jesus unless the Father drew them to him. I think the Father is drawing all creation to himself. Arminians don't believe in irresistable grace, so even though the Father is working in all of us to draw us closer, not all of us are attracted to...
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    Gap Theory

    This isn't all that complicated. Gap theorists hold that the Earth is old (~4.5 billion years old), but that all life is recently created, ~6000 years ago, in 6 literal days. Christian evolutionists agree with the first premise, but not the second. The vast majority of Christian evolutionists...
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    Socialism doesn't work: You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

    Who do you think the land-owner represents. The most common interpretation of the parable is that God rewards those who come to him late in life just as well as those who come early. Honestly, I have never heard anyone else suggest it isn't about God or God's followers. You are the first...
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    71% Say Obama’s Policies Have Driven Up Deficit

    Except you used the word "the" instead of "a", and that you missed several other important bases for a strong economy. Please explain. Please explain. I used neither term. You didn't answer my question. What is the optimal tax rate to maximize revenues? Do you think it is 0%, or even negative...
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    Socialism doesn't work: You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

    Your source was www.baptistboard.com. Kind of vague. You are very confused. No. Do you want to attempt a response? That is very cynical, and unnecessarily divisive. Blah blah blah, conservatives have perfect motives, and liberals are perfectly evil, blah, blah, blah. Not very conducive to...
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    Socialism doesn't work: You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

    I wouldn't do that because I'm not a proponent of socialism. I don't think the Scriptural context discusses the issue of social welfare. I believe that God wants us to help those in need. There are various means to do that, and I believe government programs can play an integral and effective...
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    Socialism doesn't work: You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

    The people you called fools are the disciples of Christ. Social welfare policy isn't about helping those who refuse to help themselves. Your application is very stretchy. You don't seem to understand how a welfare program is run. It is not intended for those who refuse to find work. Many...
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    71% Say Obama’s Policies Have Driven Up Deficit

    You said it was the basis of a strong economy. I'm saying there are numerous more things that form the basis. You said personal spending was the basis of a strong economy. Now you say spending what you don't have hurts the economy. In an economic climate where people are over-leveraged on...
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    Socialism doesn't work: You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

    The burden of proof is on you, since it is your claim that Obama is a Marxist. That's right. Genetic fallacies don't make sense. They are illogical. I don't deny I pointed to Scripture or Jesus. I do deny that I pointed to either as endorsing government programs. I use Scripture to provide a...
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    71% Say Obama’s Policies Have Driven Up Deficit

    How do you propose that the debt be paid off? If you don't service the debt, hyperinflation will result (due to having to print money to pay off debt holders), and that results in a very weak economy. You can cut every government program, but without a revenue base, the debt will only grow...
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    Socialism doesn't work: You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

    To clarify, I never suggested my thinking changes reality. I haven't been around these boards much, so I would be unfamiliar with almost all of the discussion that has been had on the subject. If you don't want to discuss it that's fine, but then why do you respond in depth to my comments? It's...
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    Socialism doesn't work: You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

    As I mentioned before, the application of the parable doesn't have much to do with economics, though economics is used metaphorically. What do you think of parable of the Labourers in the Vineyard? Wealth was distributed equally, was it not? What do you think of the Christians in Acts, where...
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    Socialism doesn't work: You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

    I think you are arguing from an absence of evidence. It is equally credible to suggest that Jesus spoke many times about helping the poor, and at no time did he say government didn't have a role. To clarify, I didn't suggest that line of reasoning. What is my agenda? It goes without saying that...
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    Socialism doesn't work: You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

    Right, there is only a command to give to pay your taxes, as far as I can remember. I'm not sure what that implies. Caesar considered himself "Lord" and so I find the context rather unhelpful to our present situation, not to mention that Jesus neither condones nor condemns government. Paul says...
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    Socialism doesn't work: You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

    As I have said a few times, Jesus doesn't have anything to say about that. Or at least, nothing that I can think of. I mean, he did say you should give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and that meant you should pay your taxes, but that's neither here nor there.
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    Socialism doesn't work: You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

    Corporations do the same thing. So, I don't really see how you can condone capitalism either. Actually, it requires government to regulate those things, so if you are anti-government, you don't have much of a mechanism to stop corruption. And to clarify, I'm not saying that just any government...
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    Socialism doesn't work: You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

    Jesus says you should give to the poor. That would be re-distribution of wealth. Or consider the book of Acts, where the Chrisitans didn't consider their property their own, but shared freely with those in need.
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    Socialism doesn't work: You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

    I don't think Obama is a Marxist, either. Perhaps you can point to something in his platform which suggests Obama's administration intends to take ownership of all your assets? Or maybe you think it is a conspiracy? In the reading and research I have done, I have not come across evidence that...
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    Socialism doesn't work: You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

    Hi Bro. To clarify I didn't say Jesus was in favor of government re-distribution of wealth. But, I am saying that Jesus is in favour of re-distribution of wealth, and I think Jesus reminds us that our property is not our own, but the Earth is the Lord's. I don't quite believe like the...
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    Socialism doesn't work: You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

    You would probably define me as a socialist, although I would not define myself as such, nor would I define Obama as a socialist. Your classroom example suggests that Obama believes in government re-distribution of all wealth. Well, that's not really all that close to reality. Even with the...
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