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Read the text BF. You deny what is clearly in the text. I know who can be saved through faith in the risen Christ but remember we are only Israel if we freely trust in the risen Christ.

Only blasphemy in your mind BF.

Not what it says BF but I am not surprised at how you read things into the text.

So if we were to go by what you have posted BF then only Jews could be saved as they are Israel. The only way a gentile can be considered part of Israel is through faith in the risen Christ Jesus. The bible tells us how one is saved Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to...

Only in your mind BF.

BF I have no problem with those verses. I do have a problem with your understanding of how one is saved.

I do keep it all in perspective and for me that is why I have to take the warning seriously. I do not neglect the promise of salvation and His keeping those that believe. But what I do see is that faith is the condition of initial salvation and also final salvation. Complacency is the devil in...

I would really be surprised to hear that question in church but I think some do think they can. Are we not all supposed to be students of theology? I like our interactions as you always give me food for thought.

I agree with your last comment "Both agree that the person described is ultimately lost." Where I see the problem with the OSAS or perseverance of the saints is that it would actually make the warning passages moot. I mean to tell someone to live AS IF they can loose their salvation is really...

When you consider what the Puritans wrote then it is obvious they did not take the warning seriously. "the warning passages were to be taken as they were and heeded, as if your salvation depended upon you heeding the warning." If they thought they could never be lost then of what value were...

You are reading your false views into the text BF. But I have shown you clear scripture but you will not accept it as it shows the error of your view so you you struggle to find any verse that you can twist in the vain attempt you support your error.

His death did not BF it is through faith in the risen Christ that we are saved. Why do you not believe the bible BF? 1Co 15:17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins. Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the...

No blasphemy so no need to be delivered.

BF you can keep saying that but it does not change the facts. We are saved by the risen Christ not the one still on the cross.

That do not support the view that you have BF. You are reading into the text what is not there.

Your opinion BF. But your opinion is not relevant.

Because it is not truth BF.

There you go again making over the top accusations. And you wounder why I do not trust what you say.

Because your words disagree with the word of God.

I reject the word of man when it is in disagreement with the word of God.