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Van what do we see in scripture as to how or why someone is saved? Act 16:30 and after he brought them out, he said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" That's the question Van And here is the answer Act 16:31 They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your...

@Brightfame52 did you bother to compare what Houck wrote with scripture? Houck "The cross does not make salvation possible for all so that anyone can have it, if they will only take it. Christ’s death actually saves God’s elect people." "Since God, out of His great love, sent Christ to die...

We can always hope that you will see the light KY. No need to compare yourself to a kettle.

@37818 you might as well talk to a wall as to talk to Van. His mind is made up so no need to confuse him with scripture. A person has to hit the Van standard before God is allowed to save.

Van the bible says: Rom 5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, Rom 5:2 through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God. Rom 10:9 that if...

These are the words that BF just cannot seem to grasp. "For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life." Rom_5:10

The blasphemy is when you continue to ignore the resurrection. His resurrection is the reason that we can be saved. As Paul said "if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins." So like it or not BF, His death was the propitiation for the sins of all mankind...

Van you just keep proving that you cannot or rather will not follow a logical line of thought as shown in Heb 6:4-6. Using you logic then we have to question whether these people were saved Eph 1:13 And in Him, having heard and believed the word of truth—the gospel of your salvation—you were...

His death did not it is His life that does. As Paul said if Christ was not raised then you are still in your sins. I have shown you that a number of times and yet you still will not believe it.

NO BF it just shows that you will not trust what the bible actually says.

@Van all you are doing is proving that you do not read. Heb 6:4-6 is clear when you get past your OSAS view and let the word of God say what it says and not what you want it to say. Heb 6:4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have...

Problem is that you have a different understanding of who the whole world refers to.

Alberta.

I have thought them through as well and did not come to the position I have lightly. The idea that some will spend an eternity separated from God tears at my soul. That some that have known God and trusted in Him for their salvation and then turn away and repudiate Him is to me unthinkable but...

I have answered his question more than once. He just does not seem capable of grasping what is being said.

If you are not able to believe the word of God then I you will not believe my word either. But here is the word of God once again. This what I believe so take it from there. Heb 6:4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared...

Yes I know you are stonewalling Van. When you finally deal with the words in Luke 8:13-14 rather than ignoring them then perhaps you will see what the Holy Spirit said. You hold to your OSAS view but have yet to provide any clear text that supports it. Reading into the text what you want to...

Van whether soil #2 believed is the issue. Luk 8:13 The seeds on rocky ground are those who hear the word and receive it with joy, but they have no root. They believe for a season, but in the time of testing, they fall away. You are trying to include something that is not in the text. believe...

Van you continue to make illogical comments. You have yet to address Luke 8:13-14 the two soils. All I get from you is your opinion. Your OSAS view is clouding your thinking. You are ignoring the words of God and adding your own words to the text. Since when did you become the arbiter of...

Lets try one more time Heb 6:4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, Heb 6:5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age— Heb 6:6 and then have fallen away—to be...