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Van you are wrong about soil #2. The issue is whether they believed or not. The text is clear that they did so why do you not accept that truth? The Holy Spirit says they believe so you think you know better, that sounds a bit arrogant to me. Would you care to tell me what they fall away from...

Van I see that again you want to make any comment just about you. It is sad to see someone so insecure. I ask again how you come to the conclusion that soils # 2 & 3 were not saved other then it just being what you need to find. The text is clear so why do you not believe it?

But that is not what Luke 8:13 says Van. You are adding your own personal views to the text. So we will leave it at that.

Now that is just pure speculation on your part Van. The text is clear in Luke 8:13 soil#2 believed. Do you have a different meaning for the word. The same Greek word G4100 is used in Joh 1:12 But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become...

Van you have to get over this idea that everyone is against you or is attacking you. It really does get tiring. Questioning your views is what a discussion board is all about. The bible is clear that some that have trusted in Christ and been saved will apostatize/fall away. You can either...

Yes I read your post #93 and dealt with it in post #94 What you have given is your opinion @atpollard. You say that Luke 8:13-14 soils were not really saved and I say they were as that is what scripture shows us. For you to deny their salvation is to give another meaning to the word believe...

Van what it comes down to is do you believe what the text shows us or do you believe what want the text to say.

It is not a mater of how many sins it is a mater of lose of faith itself. The person just gets to the point where they do not believe in God anymore. Christians will sin. 1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 1Jn 1:10 If we say that we...

This is the context we need to look at Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, Heb 6:5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, Heb 6:6 if they fall...

Scripture says we can walk away so if you believe scripture then why do you not believe that?

In my Christian experience over the last 65+ years I have found that the preaching has become more and more social. Why upset the people by telling them that their sins are not just mistakes that God will overlook. Have your best life now is the message they want to hear. This fits right in...

I agree that no one can snatch them out of His hand but that IMO does not mean they cannot leave on their own choice. Thus the warning verses are valid and should be taken seriously by all so that we do not fall and thus are lost. Those that remain in Him to the end will receive the gift of...

I will continue to trust the word of God and you will continue to trust your calvinism. So we can leave it at that.

That is a calvinist fiction BF.

Just as I have been pointing out to you numerous times BF. 1Co 15:17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. And which you actually just agreed with. "...He has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from...

I accept Rom 5:19 as the bible teaches it, not the way your calvinism teaches it BF.

BF I can only show you the truth I cannot make you believe it. You continue to read your calvinism into the text and thus have a distorted understanding of the word of God.

Think what you will BF. The word of God does not support your false view.

BF are you a fool? That you can say what you just did shows that you have little understanding of the word of God. You just ignore scripture that does not fit your false religion. 1Co 15:17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 1Co 15:14 And if...

BF we have been over this more than once and you just will not accept the biblical truth. By the obedience of Christ many, the whole world, have the ability to be made righteous but only those that freely trust in Him will be made righteous.