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Does God make the decree of whose heart will be opened from the hearing of the Gospel, or is that responsibility left to man to make his own choice as to whether he will accept it or not? God formed planned and initiated salvation for man without any help from man. Is man saving himself by...

In John 6:65, Christ is repeating what He said in 6:44 as in the past tense of having been drawn through the Gospel. As in the Father has given it (the draw of the Gospel).

Go back to John 6:44 for a better understanding of how man comes to Christ. "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." How does that draw take place, well, it's the hearing of Gospel that draws man to Christ. Eph. 1:13 "In...

You're a man straight to the point and so am I. What is this, the 4th or 5th thread you've started on man's depravity? But you still don't get it. Why don't you still get it?

You are without as doubt denying, or let's just call it what it really is, you're calling Isaiah and the apostle Paul liar's. Did not they say "all have gone out of the way, there is none that are righteous, there is none that search for God?" You have a serious problem with man left on his...

One thing is for sure, we see it differently. The arrangement had already been made for Christ die on the Cross for mans sin. It was already known to God the self-righteous Jews would reject Him and kill Him. God already knew that the Sacrifice in the Law that represented Christ as was well...

2000 years have passed and the Jews are still in that same box looking for a way out that Christ placed them in.

Yes, and what does Mtt. 13:13 say? "I speak unto them in parables they seeing see not, hearing they hear not, neither do they understand." I go back to my point of free will, they chose not to see and hear through their own self righteousness. It wasn't the decision of Christ that they not...

Van, you've got it all wrong! You are leaving out the main principle of salvation, that being free will. The parables were not preventing anyone from seeing and understanding, the parables were shutting off a false salvation the Jews believed. It was pride and self-righteousness in the Jews...

Israel still today see a national salvation based on the fact of being God's chosen people through the birthright passed down to them from Abraham to Isaac to Jacob to the 12 tribes of Israel. They see no need of individual repentance, they beleive in their chosen status and keeping a close...

Speaking only for myself because I've never heard anyone say this, it's my conclusion, the parables were a shield a barrier if you will that separated false salvation from true salvation. If their hearts were pure in the Scripture with God, they understood the need for salvation and they came...

Something is wrong with your indicator if that's what you thought. Several times Christ withdrew Himself from the people/Jews that believed He was the Messiah, but they didn't believe they needed salvation. If Christ had spoken plainly they would have made Him the King Messiah under false...

I didn't say Christ wasted His time with the parables you said that! I said the parables were brought back to the memory of the apostles after Christ left them and sent the Comforter.

It's like you, Van, or anyone else, what were you when Christ called you out of darkness into the light. Maybe some of us would be ashamed to tell the truth.

The 12 apostles were not saints when Christ called them, they were worldly men. But God looked in the heart and could see what no other could see.

Well, K, let's don't go there, Ok. Sovereign Grace as you understand it, turns the Lord God into something I can't recognize from Scripture.

The apostles at the time with Christ didn't even understand the parables. We can see several times in the Gospels where the apostles, diciples at that time had no idea what He was saying. They understood after Pentecost when the Holy Spirit came and guided them in truth and brought back to them...

Reasoning from a human persective. It stands to reason if that's the nature of God, He would pick who He wills to save from a burning building and leave the rest to perish.

It's crazy to some folks and makes no sense. It's like a pool table, not one thing wrong with having a pool table in your home or playing pool. But having one in the Church fellowship building is out of the question in our Church. It's associated with bars and drinking and the things of the...

LOL, I'm staying out of it! I posted a new thread Rev. 17 unaware that Deux had began. Said all I wanted to say.