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    The Beginning of the Church of Jesus Christ

    Gentlemen: Let's look at at a prophet giving us the exact order of events that would happen after the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Our Lord Jesus is the prophets and he gives us the order in a parable concerning his marriage to his bride. The church is the bride. Jesus gave this prophecy...
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    The Beginning of the Church of Jesus Christ

    Water Baptism as it Relates to the Trinitarian God and Israel, the son of God.. God the Father - 1 Cor 1:10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud...
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    The Beginning of the Church of Jesus Christ

    The cornerstone of the church was laid at the events of the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The foundation was laid when Jesus breathed the Spirt into the 10 apostles on resurrection day in John 20. The building began to be framed when the Spirit was poured out from heaven on...
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    Dispensational Truth - In Time & Eternity

    @Alan Dale Gross - You are not taking the word of the Lord nearly serious enough. When Jesus Christ says unequivocally that he is coming back in the clouds to resurrect and glorify his church and take them to the Father's house seven years before he comes back with the spotless glorious church...
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    Dispensational Truth - In Time & Eternity

    People who mock the rapture of the church are also unable to give the biblical definition of the church.
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    How many here hold to The doctrine of the perseverance of the saints

    How does this relate to the last petal in the T,U.L.I.P. in the acronym? The question is about the doctrine? Many Calvinists, Spurgeon being one of them, has said that the TULIP is the gospel. Therefore, logically speaking, it, according to them, is a fundamental of the faith. That leaves me out...
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    How many here hold to The doctrine of the perseverance of the saints

    Okay, but I have read some of your comments and notice you think like one lots of times. Well, I agree it is very vague. No one has shown from the scriptures that perseverance is in the context of salvation or remaining saved. If that happens to be your doctrinal position you should defend it...
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    How many here hold to The doctrine of the perseverance of the saints

    What then do you mean when you "persevere?" What are you doing or what are you persevering at?
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    How many here hold to The doctrine of the perseverance of the saints

    Ephesians 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; This is the only use of the word perseverance in the KJV that I could find. A cross reference yielded 77 verses in the NT and the Old...
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    How many here hold to The doctrine of the perseverance of the saints

    I understand your frustration so let me answer directly about the non biblical doctrine of "perseverance of the saints." It, like the other 4 points of the acrostic, is false doctrine. Perseverance implies effort on behalf of the saint. This makes no sense in light of unconditional election and...
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    How many here hold to The doctrine of the perseverance of the saints

    If one understands the sonship of the born again believer he will have no need to make up non bibilical descriptions for his position. God says we are all sons of Adam and are in his family through our physical birth. We are not sons of God by that kind of birth. We must be born again the...
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    Dispensational Truth - In Time & Eternity

    The oft misunderstood Revelation has been discussed so much in the context of dispensationalism that I am going to make a post about it. The Revelation, I think, must be viewed and understood in a dispensational framework. It has a three fold division, past, present, and future. That is the...
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    How many here hold to The doctrine of the perseverance of the saints

    I think there are several definitions for salvation by posters on this forum. Some believe salvation is by grace through faith while others believe it is by faith through grace. The latter is held by those who erroneously teach that faith itself is a grace of God, a gift that only some...
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    Dispensational Truth - In Time & Eternity

    I had to show that dispensationalists are believers in what the Bible says so I am continuing the thread on Dispensationalism. Bible believing Christians do no rejoice over bold illogical and unreasonable statements like this. I sure don't. I am saddened by it. Re 20:1 And I saw an angel...
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    John 12:1-2. Is not a Saturday.

    One of your 6 days is a sabbath day. Which one is it?
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    Dispensationalism

    Which is the reason for the sacrifices. You fellows have a perverted view of the millennial reign of Christ, which is the day of the LORD and is 1000 years long. It is not heaven as you suppose. It is the final day of the week of 1000 years days It is described by the prophets as the sabbath of...
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    John 12:1-2. Is not a Saturday.

    Acts 1:12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day s journey. Luke 21:37 And in the day time he was teaching in the temple; and at night he went out, and abode in the mount that is called the mount of Olives. A round trip would be...
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    John 12:1-2. Is not a Saturday.

    No, not false. You have not made a case for what you want people to believe. You haven't even told us what day to believe this is.
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    John 12:1-2. Is not a Saturday.

    There is no evidence there. John said Jesus came to Bethany 6 days before the Passover. Go to the Passover and count backward and see what day you get. However, start with the resurrection being on the eighth day, which is the beginning of a NEW week ( In the end of the sabbath, as it began to...
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