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  1. J

    Atonemet (Not PSA....my position)

    we owed the Father payment for our sins, and christ is victorious still not deal with what happened to that stored up wrath and judgement, as God cannot just forget to save us
  2. J

    Atonemet (Not PSA....my position)

    NOT punishment, as God the father did not punish jesus for anything he ever did, but He placed upon him out due wrath and judgement, which he agreed to bear as our sin bearer
  3. J

    Atonemet (Not PSA....my position)

    It did that by the shedding of his blood and by bearing those sins for us, by bearing the wrath and judgement due to us
  4. J

    Is the KJV's rendering the most accurate in these ten passages?

    So when it can be clearly demonstarted that the kjv and the Greek text was not always in full agreement, then the Kjv is right and the originals language text was wrong?
  5. J

    Atonemet (Not PSA....my position)

    God the Father did not "punish" jesus for anything jesus had done, God the father placed upon Him our due wrath and condemnation due to jesus agreeing to be the sin bearer for His own people
  6. J

    Atonemet (Not PSA....my position)

    God cannot just forget that stored up wrath, as in order to have the very basis to forgive a sinner for breaking his law, must satisfy His divine wrath first, to make a propiation
  7. J

    Atonemet (Not PSA....my position)

    "It is not a place for you to defend your belief. It is definitely not a place for you to misrepresent my belief and make false statements." Please give us where I misrepresented your beliefs and made false statements
  8. J

    Atonemet (Not PSA....my position)

    No Psa advocate holds to jesus being punished, as he willingly took upon Himself our due wrath and judgment in our place
  9. J

    Is the KJV's rendering the most accurate in these ten passages?

    Kjvo can not ever give which of the Kjv editions are the perfect one to g=follow, nor which TR Greek text is that perfect text to use
  10. J

    What is written vs. What was said

    What is interesting is that good reliable translations can disagree there, yet still all be English word of the Lord to us for today
  11. J

    Atonemet (Not PSA....my position)

    that view doers NOT still explain just how and why the very wrath of God has been propiated?
  12. J

    Worship Wars?

    Yes, and he has active reach out to teens and to fellow musicians
  13. J

    I Peter 3:20,21 "Baptism now saves us", How?

    main differences between evangelical and many Fundamentalists would be in areas of politics, separation, and King james only views
  14. J

    Atonemet (Not PSA....my position)

    You cannot call psa as heresy, at best say that you disagree with it
  15. J

    Worship Wars?

    I would love to be there at a Baptist church when senior pastor announced that they have a special worship leader today, and then alice cooper came out full goth make up on, and just wondering how many would be able to just praise the lrd or else just stay focused on him?
  16. J

    Atonemet (Not PSA....my position)

    Its seems that onC view is that God forgives us based upon repentance, and since now saved, no longer any more wrath, but still where did it then go?
  17. J

    Atonemet (Not PSA....my position)

    The Psa view on the Atonement is NOT just a Reformed/Calvinist view, its THE Reformed view, majority of Baptists, and many evangelicals who even despise Calvinism still hold to it
  18. J

    It is Finished

    Was Jesus death due to satan getting him nailed upon that Cross, or due the very Will of the Father?
  19. J

    Does Speaking against the Worship Styles of Other Christians of Other Cultures Show That Someone Is a Not a Legitimate Christian?

    As long as its done decently and in order, no jumping walking on pews or barking like dogs
  20. J

    Is the KJV's rendering the most accurate in these ten passages?

    Would say this is very interesting survey on this topic https://kjbstudyproject.com/
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