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    The Biblical Basis for Penal Substitution, part 2

    That is not for you to say. Others (if anyone is actually reading it all) will make a decision on that.
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    The Biblical Basis for Penal Substitution, part 2

    I want to move on and ask some more questions: Did the Lord Jesus pay to the Father a valuable price and ransom for our sins, as our surety or guarantor, so as to discharge the debt that we were under? Did He thereby make satisfaction to the justice of God? 1. Our Lord paid such a price or...
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    The Biblical Basis for Penal Substitution, part 2

    Have a look at Numbers 15:22-31. God forgave sins committed unintentionally, but only through the shedding of blood (vs. 24, 27). But for the one who sinned presumpuously, there was no forgiveness (vs. 31-32). 'That person shall be completely cut off; his guilt shall be upon him.' Praise God...
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    The Biblical Basis for Penal Substitution, part 2

    Always good to get the cheap insults out of the way first. So what are you saying here? That God actually does clear the guilty, contra Exodus 34:7? Or are you saying that we are all going to hell because God does not clear the guilty? Or has God laid our sins upon the Lord Jesus, made Him...
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    The Biblical Basis for Penal Substitution, part 2

    In the O.P. on a recently-closed thread, I posted the following: Firstly then, it needs to be shown that our Lord took and bore our sins which God laid on Him. Secondly, that He took them so as to undergo the punishment due to them, and thirdly that He did this on our behalf and instead of us...
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    THe Biblical Place for Penal Substitution

    And here's the third part. Same again. Did the Lord Jesus do this on our behalf and instead of us? Yes. “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world” (John 1:29); ‘He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities’ (Isaiah 53:5); “Therefore let it be...
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    THe Biblical Place for Penal Substitution

    The same with the second part. Agree or disagree; explain why from the Bible. Did He take our sins so as to undergo the punishment due to them? Yes. ‘The chastisement [ESV, NIV: ‘punishment’] for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed’ (Isaiah 53:5); “For even the Son of Man...
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    THe Biblical Place for Penal Substitution

    Maybe we could just go back to the O.P. Would someone like to comment on the first part and either agree or disagree with it and give their Biblical reason why or why not? Did the Father lay upon the Lord Jesus the sins of His people? Yes. ‘And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all’...
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