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Do you really think that I and others cannot find vast numbers of theologians who write in their support of the Doctrine of Penal Substitution? What will it prove if I post more 'authorities' than you can? Nothing! I will only say that I would not recommend any aspiring pastor Bible teacher to...

I understand that you will pick up any stick to try and beat my with, but I don't think this stick will hurt me much. There are several Hebrew words which the Bible translates as 'oppress,' but the one used in Isaiah 53:7 is nagas. In its passive verbal form ('oppressed') the only other place...

Romans 3:25 again! God set Him forth as a propitiation by His blood.' 'Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins' (Heb. 9:22). Are you really suggesting that God just intended our Lord to bleed a little bit, but not to die? Was He shocked and horrified when our Lord died...

My understanding is that Irenaeus was the first to write of Peter being in Rome in his work Against Heresies. I understand that this was more than a century after Peter's death, but it is long before the 3rd and 4th Centuries.

What we have to do is not to deny what Scripture plainly states, but to explain why those Scriptures do not teach that God is unrighteous. You certainly do.

You keep on about this until we're all sick of it. It is perfectly possible to change one's views for the worse. Clark Pinnock is an obvious, fairly recent example of someone who changed his mind from Biblical inerrancy to Open Theology. Much earlier, A.B. (Alexander) Bruce (1831-1899) was...

These are, as you say, your presuppositions. You should look at the texts that I am constantly bringing forward and you will see that you are applying your presuppositions in an unbiblical way. Your presuppositions are your problem. You are constantly saying that you 'just follow the Bible,'...

Now the question that has to be answered is On the contrary, we agree that 'crushing' Christ was God's will. What you will not accept is that God was responsible for 'crushing' Christ. And that is simply untenable. 'It pleased the LORD to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief.' So why is the...

The sad fact is that your posts resemble the writings of people like Steve Chalke and Eleonore Stump. Whether this is because you read and approve their books or because you just naturally agree with them, you know better than I. I think it would be good if you did that. Yet, as I have posted...

God did cause Christ's oppression as I have shown very clearly. That He did not personally scourge Christ or hammer the nails in does not mean that He was entirely responsible for it. But you are right that God is not unjust, that He does not punish the just and that He does not clear the...

I am not aware of any Mennonite churches in Britain. I know a lady who has married a Canadian and attends with him a large Mennonite church about 45 miles east of Vancouver. She and her husband tell me that the church upholds Penal Substitution.

I didn't make a mistake. I quoted the NKJV. The NASB says the same thing. 'The LORD was pleased to crush Him, putting Him to grief.' You have not even quoted the ESV 2001 correctly, but let that pass for the moment. We agree that the Lord desired to crush the Lord Jesus. Psalm 115:3 tells us...

If I employ, say, a builder to repair my house, my payment to him would be recompense for his work. I have never heard of such a payment being called 'retribution.' In my understanding 'recompense' can be positive or negative; retribution only negative. This is very interesting. Jeremiah...

I think you probably realise that this is not very convincing, but I accept that it is the best you can do. The text says, 'It pleased God to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief.' So according to the word of God, who put the Lord Jesus to grief? When Uriah the Hittite was killed, David was 50...

Yet, whether you like it or not, God did punish Christ (Isaiah 53:5, ESV, NIV), He did 'bruise' or 'crush Him, and put Him to grief (v.10). Why do you think that was?

Would you say then that retribution is recompensing sinners in a way appropriate to their crime?

@JonC, I am coming to this thread for the first time. I still don't have time to post much, but I wonder if you would like to define what 'Retributive Justice' is, and why you think that, say, Genesis 38:7-10 isn't it.

Yep!

As usual, you are adding to the Scriptures. Moreover, you do not appear to understand what a propitiation (noun) is. We are the offending party (sinners) We do not need to be propitiated (verb); God does. It is God who set Christ forth as a propitiation (noun) - not to propitiate (verb) us...

None of the six other usages of kosmos in 1 John 2 means 'people.' 1 John 2:15-17. 'Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in Him. For all that is in the world - the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of...