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@DaveXR650 Thats doublemindness right there, you dont agree, then dont see a lot of difference. Grace given is the New Birth, so Grace wasn't given if it didn't make you spiritually alive from the dead. Eph 2:5 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by...

If someone comes to Christ in Faith, they were saved/forgiven by Christ already, regenerated by the Spirit already, already accepted in Him, and so Christ had died for him. If Christ didnt die for a person, they will never come to Him in Faith, never will be forgiven

@DaveXR650 Christs Death was limited to the elect, the rest He purposed to punish them for their sins, so Christ shed no blood for them.

Heb 9:28 28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

@Silverhair Elementary they are the elect Even though all without exception have sinned, but that scripture is about the elect The elect The elect The elect saved world Jesus saved The elect

okay but thats telling me you cannot believe the Gospel to be true !

Limited Atonement is part of the Gospel of Gods Grace

Both of those scriptures are in regards to limited atonement, Christ died only for them Justified by Faith

Limited particular redemption is taught here Rev 14:1-5 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice...

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Its nothing to force. God doesnt force a dead sinner to get saved, He saves them by making them a new creature by Grace. He makes them alive Eph 2:5 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) Eph 2:10 10 For we are his workmanship...

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Is it

Be that as it may, Tulip is the Gospel

Im saying TULIP is the Gospel of Gods Grace, you draw your own conclusions

Then you dont believe the Gospel of Grace friend

Calvinism is the Gospel the truths of Tulip and the elect[those picked by God] shall be saved no matter what since Jesus died for their sins and put them away, and Gods Justice for them has been satisfied.

Christ died for them not appointed to Wrath. 1 Thess 5:9-10 . 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. I believe this means that the ones appointed to wrath...

This is false

Basically Eph 1:4 is stating that God before the foundation, chose who would be saved. These are they whose Names were written before the foundation in the Lambs Book of Life Rev 13:8 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the...