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Make that 3 names. Immanuel. We can add more. This is not a valid point

Michael, the Chief Messenger = Jesus Christ? The fact that Matthew Henry believed this was true led me to consider this topic. It is well-known that some cults like the Jehovah’s Witnesses also teach this. Yet we shouldn’t prematurely be against a position just for that reason. We should let...

I give up. You totally misunderstand me. Forget it

Amazing. You are making my point. How is this my confusion?

"To be considered human requires a combination of biological & cognitive states" So this leaves you with two choices as far as Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are concerned: At the very moment of Jesus' "God of the living" comment those three were either had something "biological" or, if not, they...

You are the one who asked "Is a corpse self-aware?" And then you added "We will again have a state of self-awareness." "Again". This shows - unless you miswrote - that you believe there was a time when the dead in Christ, including the Patriarchs, had a period where they were not aware. Sure...

You are right. I don't like your answer. You miss the biblical point. The three patriarchs were not unaware corpses. Your conclusion is like that of the Sadducees

So this means, according to you, that these Patriarchs will become human again. Likewise, all Christians who have died cease to be human. And then get rehumanized. Is that what you are saying? "To be considered human requires a combination of biological & cognitive states" Do we have scripture...

I started to write that very few Preterists are universalists, but I am not really sure. You may be right. Very sad, because it reduces the whole point of Christ dying for our sins if everyone gets saved anyway. But that is just one of the blots on our Preterism. The other is the bizarre notion...

I am certainly not a universalist. You maybe received your information about Preterism from a misinformed source. Of course, like Baptists and Christians in general, there are always going to be some cultic -isms.

The fact that Preterism is tendentious is not really a mark against it. It is neither here nor there. Reform theology as well incipient as Christianity were also once viewed the same way. The fact that you resort to silly retorts ("turned into apes or elephants") rather than answer the simple...

We will be changed, not replaced, exactly. The real us - our core identity - is spiritual. When Moses and Elijah appeared at the Mount of Transfiguration they were not physical, agreed? They had spiritual bodies. But they most certainly were Moses and Elijah, true humans.

"In like manner" is an adverbial phrase, not adjectival. We have been so preconditioned to interpret this verse the way you just did that we forget basic grammar. If the passage had been "in like form" then you would have a case. In like manner describes how Christ was to return. With the...

I am assuming, then, that you said yes to the first question and no to the second, which is that humanity at its core is spiritual. If I am reading you wrong then let me know. "Being separated from their bodies doesn’t make their bodies something else. There will be a physical resurrection of...

Here is a larger section from Wikipedia, distancing Biblical Preterism from Full or Hyper-Preterism: "In recent years full preterism has divided into sub-groups. An important offshoot that differs markedly from the theology of Max King and Don K. Preston is the Individual Body View (IBV) of...

The usual ill-considered potshot. My view is Biblical Preterism, not Hyper-Preterism. Not even Full Preterism, a movement that has now been co-opted by cultists like Don Preston. Rev. 1:7 says nothing about Him returning physically or when He returned. But I do appreciate that you at least gave...

For those who insist that humanity inherently requires being physical, two questions concerning Christ's words about Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: 1. Were those three Patriarchs human at that time Jesus spoke? Yes or no. 2. Were they physical at that time that Jesus spoke? Yes or no. If you say...

No disagreement here.

"Bodies" does not require flesh and blood. "There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body", 1 Cor. 15:44 The real you is spiritual. We are created in the image of God. God is spirit.

Thanks, kyredneck. This was one of the passages I also would preach from. Until I started to really examine the passage. None of these gentlemen I quoted could be call preterists, yet they do a good job of "fleshing out" the passage. (I think there is a good pun there somewhere.)