‘Selma’ distorting the facts?

[Revmitchell]

In this video Juan Williams explains that the movie "Selma" downplays white Americans involvement in civil rights to the point that it has become a lie.

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/3999214331001/selma-distorting-the-facts/?#sp=show-clips

 

[Rolfe]

What do you hope to accomplish by starting this thread?

It cannot be to change the mind of the resident race-baiter.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

It's the Oprah's movie. I'm sure the facts have been distorted more than her face has.

 

[Zaac]

What do you hope to accomplish by starting this thread?

It cannot be to change the mind of the resident race-baiter.

You're getting awfully good at this race-baiting thing yourself. :laugh:

Maybe she can be addressed along with all the textbook publishers and authors who have skewed history for the last 100 years.

Or maybe we should address Ridley Scott or the producers of Cleopatra.

Selma was not a documentary.

If yall ain't said nothing about all the whitewashing of textbook history and so much of the movie history of the twentieth century, then just hush.:sleep:

 

[church mouse guy]

This is a fight between two groups of liberal Democrats. If they make LBJ out to be a heel, I could care less.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I read MLK's AB. I read Malcom X's AB.


No desire to see the orprah's version of this. She should stick to keeping her orphanages free from sexual predators.

 

[carpro]

I read MLK's AB. I read Malcom X's AB.


No desire to see the orprah's version of this. She should stick to keeping her orphanages free from sexual predators.

Distorting the truth wouldn't be much of a stretch for her, would it? Kind of expected.

 

[Zaac]

Distorting the truth wouldn't be much of a stretch for her, would it? Kind of expected.

Guess we can say the same about Clint Eastwood.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I never stuck up for Clint Eastwood. I said his movie was all-made. I don't know of the inaccuracies, and I have always been against the war.

But yeah, I would rather see a Clint Eastwood movie over anything the oprah has ever produced.

 

[carpro]

I never stuck up for Clint Eastwood. I said his movie was all-made. I don't know of the inaccuracies, and I have always been against the war.

But yeah, I would rather see a Clint Eastwood movie over anything the oprah has ever produced.

A racist Red herring.

Eastwood does not distort history. Winfrey does. She would leave this generation with the mistaken belief that LBJ not only had nothing to do with the civil rights movement in this country, but that he was an enemy of it.

As we well know, nothing could be further from the truth. This leads me to agree with the notion that winfrey has some deep seated racial issues of her own she needs to deal with somewhere other than this type of vehicle. As noted by Juan Williams.

 

[Zaac]

I never stuck up for Clint Eastwood.

I didn't say that you did.

I said his movie was all-made. I don't know of the inaccuracies, and I have always been against the war.

Noted.

But yeah, I would rather see a Clint Eastwood movie over anything the oprah has ever produced.

They have both managed to earn their detractors.

 

[Zaac]

A racist Red herring.

Eastwood does not distort history. Winfrey does.

History disagrees with you :laugh: Sounds like you've got some sort of prejudice built up inside ya. Not new though.

She would leave this generation with the mistaken belief that LBJ not only had nothing to do with the civil rights movement in this country, but that he was an enemy of it.

And Eastwood would leave this generation with the mistaken belief that he painted an accurate picture of Kyle.

But skipping ahead, the film takes some liberties. Early on, the movie shows Kyle taking part in a rodeo before finding his girlfriend in bed with another man, whom he quickly dispatches. While Chris Kyle participated in “saddle bronco bustin’ ” from high school into college, his rodeo career ended when a bronco flipped and left him with pins in his wrists, broken ribs, and other injuries. Neither his brother nor an unfaithful girlfriend are mentioned in the book, but he did become a ranch hand to pay the bills after partying with rodeo groupies drained his income. During this time, he approached the recruitment office to enlist—not, as the movie suggests, because he witnessed American lives lost on the news, but because he had always intended to join the military following school.

When his rodeo injuries precluded enlistment, Kyle quit school to work on ranches full time. However, he soon got a call from Navy recruiters who reversed their earlier decision. In the movie, this waffling is glossed over to make his enlistment seem like a streamlined response to injustice—Kyle goes straight from busting broncos to SEAL training.

In memoir and movie, Chris Kyle and Taya (Sienna Miller) begin their relationship not long after his SEAL training, and Eastwood’s film is painstakingly accurate to their real-life meet-cute—drunken vomiting and dodged calls included. But the Kyles’ wedding was not interrupted, as in the film, by whispered revelations that America would go to war following 9/11. Instead, the couple decided to marry because Kyle would soon be deployed and had only a few days of leave amidst military training.

Another anecdote in the movie is completely invented. Kyle and his fellow sailors enter a civilian house and take up station there. Though the family inside is obviously startled, they welcome the men to have dinner with them. However, when Kyle inspects the house more carefully, he finds weapons hidden beneath the floorboards, and outs the family as pro-insurgency, beginning a firefight.* No such incident happens in the memoir.

All above at http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat...ion_how_accurate_is_the_chris_kyle_movie.html

It's well documented that Clint took a lot of creative liberties just as Oprah and Ava DuVernay have been accused of doing.

It's okay if you don't want to admit it.

As we well know, nothing could be further from the truth. This leads me to agree with the notion that winfrey has some deep seated racial issues of her own she needs to deal with somewhere other than this type of vehicle. As noted by Juan Williams.

Your inability to accept the truth makes it look like you've got your own deep seated racial issues.:smilewinkgrin:

 

[Jedi Knight]

I read King had obsession with white prostitutes?

 

[Zaac]

I read King had obsession with white prostitutes?

Not sure if they were all white prostitutes. But he was definitely an adulterer.

 

[Don]

Both movies took liberty with the facts. That's where the similarity ends.

Selma is about racism in America; Sniper is not.

Selma is a movie about the fight for racial equality, but minimizes the efforts of people of different skin color, choosing to focus on one color; and thus, subliminally (whether by accident or purpose) sustains, if not flat-out encourages, racial inequality.

But that's my opinion; and we all know opinions are like armpits....

 

[Zaac]

Both movies took liberty with the facts. That's where the similarity ends.

Selma is about racism in America; Sniper is not.

Selma is a movie about the fight for racial equality, but minimizes the efforts of people of different skin color, choosing to focus on one color; and thus, subliminally (whether by accident or purpose) sustains, if not flat-out encourages, racial inequality.

What I continue to find is that white people in the United States don't want to talk about race. And there's this attempt (whether by accident or on purpose) by a lot of white people who fancy themselves as political conservatives to continuously try to negatively paint black people and anything associated with them and what happened during slavery, the Jim Crow Civil Rights era and what's happening today.

There seems to be this notion of "well if we can make what they are saying into a negative, then we don't have to feel bad or responsible for what they are saying".

I haven't heard any white political conservatives talking about Exodus encouraging racial inequality. I haven't heard of any white political conservatives talking about an absence of black and Asian people from the Academy Awards major categories as encouraging racial equality.

It just doesn't happen much if at all.

A lot of white political conservatives seem to only view the things done by Blacks as causing the race issues. They never seem to consider their own part in the racial divide.

 

[righteousdude2]

History disagrees with you :laugh: Sounds like you've got some sort of prejudice built up inside ya. Not new though.



And Eastwood would leave this generation with the mistaken belief that he painted an accurate picture of Kyle.








All above at http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat...ion_how_accurate_is_the_chris_kyle_movie.html

It's well documented that Clint took a lot of creative liberties just as Oprah and Ava DuVernay have been accused of doing.

It's okay if you don't want to admit it.

Your inability to accept the truth makes it look like you've got your own deep seated racial issues.:smilewinkgrin:

Now why do you continue to pick at Carpo? You know he's right ... but that is true about all of us who disagree with you. Get a life brother .... we all know reverse racism when we see it :laugh:

 

[Don]

The movie Exodus? Didn't realize that was about racial inequality. Most of the buzz I saw was about its scriptural inaccuracy--which is relevant, because the subject was scriptural.

Racial inequality in the entertainment awards? You're spot-on there; it's a travesty. I personally don't say much about it because I don't pay attention to the entertainment industry awards shows. I don't watch 'em, don't support 'em.

 

[Zaac]

The movie Exodus? Didn't realize that was about racial inequality. Most of the buzz I saw was about its scriptural inaccuracy--which is relevant, because the subject was scriptural.

I didn't say the movie was about racial inequality. Even though it was. Gosh the Exodus was based in racial inequality and makes silly any notion any Christian ever had during slave times that slavery was okay.

But the race issue that came up with Exodus is how all of the leads in the film about North African and Middle Eastern people were all white. It's just something that Hollywood has always done.

Racial inequality in the entertainment awards? You're spot-on there; it's a travesty. I personally don't say much about it because I don't pay attention to the entertainment industry awards shows. I don't watch 'em, don't support 'em.

I generally don't pay any attention to any of the awards shows. Entertainers have become more and more unbearable and I don't care to be entertained by any of them. :laugh:

But again. Hollywood is a business. They want to make money and they don't really care that there is racial inequality.

That's why I thought Blacks started the Image Awards.

But we both know that being an Image Award winner doesn't have anything near the prestige and standing as would being an Academy Award Winner or Nominee.

In an industry where reputation is everything, especially when 90+ percent of the Academy is white, careers can be made or destroyed. Actors can take off. Directors can get projects funded.

But when the power, and that's what racism is REALLY about, rests with primarily white men, then there is going to be racial inequality.

 

[Don]

I didn't say the movie was about racial inequality. Even though it was. Gosh the Exodus was based in racial inequality and makes silly any notion any Christian ever had during slave times that slavery was okay.

But the race issue that came up with Exodus is how all of the leads in the film about North African and Middle Eastern people were all white. It's just something that Hollywood has always done.

As with Last Airbender and other movies.

I generally don't pay any attention to any of the awards shows. Entertainers have become more and more unbearable and I don't care to be entertained by any of them. [emoji23]

But again. Hollywood is a business. They want to make money and they don't really care that there is racial inequality.

That's why I thought Blacks started the Image Awards.

But we both know that being an Image Award winner doesn't have anything near the prestige and standing as would being an Academy Award Winner or Nominee.

In an industry where reputation is everything, especially when 90+ percent of the Academy is white, careers can be made or destroyed. Actors can take off. Directors can get projects funded.

But when the power, and that's what racism is REALLY about, rests with primarily white men, then there is going to be racial inequality.

So now you're sexist, too? Why just white men? White women have no power or influence?