“The doctrine by which the church stands or falls.”

[skypair]

If spoiled means everything I receive in Christ I don't derserve one iota of it, ABSOLUTELY! :thumbs:

If by being saved by grace alone, in Christ alone, through faith alone, you ask can I continue in sin that grace may abound? GOD FORBID!

RB

My point was that you MUST cooperate with God in your sanctification. Do you realize that? It is Christ's Spirit but YOUR body "in play."

Building upon that then, did you not "volunteer" to "host" the Spirit? to see and enter the kingdom? to be eternally saved? "Vol" speaks of YOUR volition, RB. Do you ever have one of your own?

Or is God "dragging" you kicking and screaming through this whole "abundant life" beause you really would rather be stay "totally depraved?"

skypair

 

[ReformedBaptist]

My point was that you MUST cooperate with God in your sanctification. Do you realize that? It is Christ's Spirit but YOUR body "in play."

Building upon that then, did you not "volunteer" to "host" the Spirit? to see and enter the kingdom? to be eternally saved? "Vol" speaks of YOUR volition, RB. Do you ever have one of your own?

Or is God "dragging" you kicking and screaming through this whole "abundant life" beause you really would rather be stay "totally depraved?"

skypair

I can see now how others see that you confuse the issues as they get discussed. Here you speak of our response to work of God, which is not forced. I am speaking the process by which one is transferred out of darkness into light. I do not procur this for myself. It is procured for me by Christ. I am not born of God by the will of the flesh or the will of man, but of God.

BECAUSE I have been born again, I have new desires and new affections, notwithstanding the old is still present with me, that is, sin. There is new life in me, a new man, created by Christ in holiness. And, He created me for good works. Wasn't that the case for you? Before you were in Christ you loved sin but after being born again you were ashamed and despised it?

Formerly I was a slave to sin. Now I am a slave to Christ. Before the trade-skill of my life was sin, now it is righteousness. These things are the result of what GOd did....not what God and RB did.

Add in: I realized here that you defined your reply by speaking of sanctification not justification. Concerning sanctification it is still the work of God. It is God making us holy. God is the author of our sanctification. I think this point must be made prior to the cooperation of man in it. The Spirit of God in sanctification enlightens, gives strength, comfort, peace, et. In this the believer is an active participant.

We should be careful not to confuse God's work in sanctification with God's work in regeneration and justification.

Soli Deo Gloria

RB

 

[ReformedBaptist]

You still didn't answer my question in a way that I can understand your meaning. What do you mean "their salvation is the work of themselves". Thus it is the reason I asked you those questions.


If you are alluding that : [if our faith is not from God then...heritic ] we may need to talk.

If you are saying - to think our faith is the reason God must save us or that our faith is the object of our justification - heritic. ~ Then I agree!

IOW - our faith is considered equal value and tradable for salvation - heritic
Again I am all in agreement with this one because it makes faith a work.

Then you have done a better job explaining it that me. We are in agreement. Either men are making faith into a work, which is heresy, or that faith is the object of justification instead of Christ, heresy, or faith of itself procurs salvation, heresy, we are indeed agreed. And I thought we were.

Salvation (in total) is the gift of God.

 

[Allan]

Then you have done a better job explaining it that me. We are in agreement. Either men are making faith into a work, which is heresy, or that faith is the object of justification instead of Christ, heresy, or faith of itself procurs salvation, heresy, we are indeed agreed. And I thought we were.

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Forgive me brother for being so inquisitive. I merely desired clarification and I appreciate your sharing it with me.