“The End Of The Lord”

[The Biblicist]

The Reduplication Theory - Romans 10:5-8

Rom. 10:1 ¶ Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Paul sets forth a contrast in Romans 10:1-10 in regard how to obtain the righteousness required by the law to be "saved" (Rom. 10:1) from the condemnation by the Law.

A. The Jewish way is by PERSONAL OBSERVATION of the law to obtain its righteousness (Rom. 10:1-3). This way is summarized in the words "going about to establish their own" (v. 3a) which is rejecting the righteousness God has freely provided by God through Christ (v. 3b).

B. The Pauline way is by SUBSTITUTIONARY OBSERVATION through the Person of Christ where Christ's own personal obedience to the law is received by faith (Rom. 10:4) without our works.

C. This contrast is elaborated in verses 5-10 whereby the law and faith are personified (Moses, Faith) and speak concerning how righteousness is obtained. First the law speaks (Moses - v. 5) and then Faith speaks (vv. 6-10). First Paul tells us what faith does not say (vv. 5-7) and then what it does say (vv. 8-10) concerning how to obtain the righteousness of the Law.

1. How the Law says that righteousness must be obtained - v. 5

5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

Faith that justifies does not demand YOUR PERSONAL observation of the Law to acheive its justificaition. That is what Moses (personification of the law) said - YOU do this and live

2. How faith says that righteousness must be obtained - vv. 6-10

a. How Faith says it is not obtained - vv. 6-7

6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

Faith does not demand the REDUPLICATION of the life of Christ by you to obtain the righteousness required by the law to be saved. Paul summarizes the life of Christ from His incarnation (bring Christ down from heaven) to his resurrection (to bring up Christ again from the dead). Note the word "again" showing this is a REDUPLICATION of the entire life of Christ by a person.

b. How faith says it is obtained - vv. 8-10

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation

Notice there is not "do this" or "going about trying" or "bringing Christ down....up again" - NO PERSONAL OBSERVATION of God's Law and NO PERSONAL REDUPLICATION OF CHRIST's LIFE to obtain righteousness to be saved.

The only thing faith demands to obtain the righteousness demanded by the Law is to embrace the good news that God has provided it freely without works to all who simply believe Jesus Christ satisfied it for all who believe.


The SDA doctrine that we are justified by faith in Christ without works ONLY TO BE ABLE to REDUPLICATE Christ's life by our own obedience in order to be obtain that righteousness is repudiated by Paul in verses 6-7. Indeed, it is an oxymoronic doctrine that demands acceptance of Christ's own personal obedience as sufficient to justify us without works only to repudiate it as suffiienct without our own personal obedience.

Our "new" life is not designed to replace Christ's life for justification but is the CONSEQUENCE of regeneration and progressive sanctification and nothing to do with justification as that has been accomplished completely and fully by the personal life of Christ. Moreover, our regenerate life NEVER reduplicates the sinless life of Christ and the righteousness required by the law is sinlessness. SDA attempts to make the consequence of justfication the utlimate cause of justification. This is the REDUPLICATION THEORY which is nothing less than "another gospel" which repudiates the sufficiency of Christ's life to completely satisfy all the demands of the Law for righteousness.

 

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted by The Biblicist
What is written in our hearts is the Law in its PRINCIPLE FORM which Christ and all the apostles reduced to one word "Love."

As your own "Baptist Confession of Faith" points out (with emphasis in C.H. Spurgeon's rendering of it) - the Ten Commandments are included in that moral law of God - given to all mankind - starting in Eden and applicable even to the saints today.

See section 19 of that document.

For those who are not Baptists - see section 19 of the Westminster Confession of Faith, as it makes the same point.

What is written in the heart is not Saturday or Sunday.

Your own Baptist Confession of Faith - states that it is the SAME day that is kept holy as the 4th commandment Sabbath "from creation to the resurrection".

I think we are all aware of that fact by now.

No heathen culture now or ever can be found where a heathen unfamiliar with the law of Moses or New Testament where they naturally observe either Saturday

Heathen cultures "naturaly engage in worship of false God's" - however your own "Baptist Confession of Faith" states that the TEN Commandments are the "Mora law of God" -

It is that document that "admits" that the Ten Commandment - moral law of God is that which is written on the heart.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Thus the "heart" is snynomous with "love" as in to "love the Lord thy God WITH ALL THINE HEART" and "love" thy neighbor as thyself.

Christ is the "end of the Law for righteousness"

And that is "end" as in "end of the Lord" James 5:11 - KJV.

It means "Goal or purpose".

The Law leads to Christ and as we see in John 14:15 - Christ leads to the Law "IF you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" in the same words as HE stated them in Ex 20:6 - right IN the TEN Commandments "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments".

Just as we find again in 1John 5:2-3

1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

Yes, the Law does lead to Christ as its goal in the sense the context is demanding.

Indeed the New Covenant itself in Jer 31:31-33 and quoted again in Heb 8 points to the fact that the Law of God is "written on the mind and heart" under the New Covenant.

The law leads the lost to Christ. But as Wesley pointed out - Christ leads the saved to obedience to the Law. (hint Romans 6).

Thus Christ could say "If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15 quoting Ex 20:6 in the TEN Commandments that speaks of those who "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments".

The goal - or end of the Law for the lost is to lead the lost to Christ.

Romans 10:4 is set in contrast to Romans 10:1-3 and the Jewish goal of obtaining righteousness the righteousness of the Law by PERSONAL OBEDIENCE. Instead of "going about trying to establish" the righteousness demanded by the law by personal obedience, the law condemns all who attempt that way and thus leads a person to Christ

Indeed - the continued moral authority of the Law of God condemns all the lost - and points to their need of Christ.

And for the saved - it is "written on the mind and heart" by the Holy Spirit under the NEW Covenant of Jer 31:31-33.

It cannot be obtained by PERSONAL OBEDIENCE by us but by faith.

Indeed - that is the solution for the lost - the one who does not have the Law Written on the heart, who is not born again. Salvation comes only through Christ not by "Loving God with all the heart" - because they need forgiveness of sin and because as Paul points out in Romans 8:5-8 the heart of the lost individual "does not submit to the Law of God - neither indeed CAN it"

As for the saved - they dare not turn to rebellion against God and His Word - His Law according to His Word in Prov 28:9

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1John 2:
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


John says -
Rev 22:
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.(KJV)

Christ said

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.


Exodus 20
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

John 14
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.


1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Rev 14:12
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

1 Cor 7:19 .. "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God"[/FONT]


Matt 5
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Paul sets forth a contrast in Romans 10:1-10 in regard how to obtain the righteousness required by the law to be "saved" (Rom. 10:1) from the condemnation by the Law.

A. The Jewish way is by PERSONAL OBSERVATION of the law to obtain its righteousness (Rom. 10:1-3). This way is summarized in the words "going about to establish their own" (v. 3a) which is rejecting the righteousness God has freely provided by God through Christ (v. 3b).

B. The Pauline way is by SUBSTITUTIONARY OBSERVATION through the Person of Christ where Christ's own personal obedience to the law is received by faith (Rom. 10:4) without our works.

The lost person is not able to "Love God with all the heart" so well as to become justified, as to become saved.

This problem that the lost person has - and what they must do to obtain salvation - to become born-again.

You have stated accurately as far as it goes.

The SDA doctrine that we are justified by faith in Christ without works ONLY TO BE ABLE to REDUPLICATE Christ's life by our own obedience .

You seem to be trying to paraphrase 1John 2:3-6 without actually quoting it.

I find that odd.

I will "help you" by actually quoting the text.

1John 2:
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[The Biblicist]

Your own Baptist Confession of Faith - states that it is the SAME day that is kept holy as the 4th commandment Sabbath "from creation to the resurrection".

I think we are all aware of that fact by now.






Heathen cultures "naturaly engage in worship of false God's" - however your own "Baptist Confession of Faith" states that the TEN Commandments are the "Mora law of God" -

It is that document that "admits" that the Ten Commandment - moral law of God is that which is written on the heart.

in Christ,

Bob

The human heart is not stone! It is not material substance. Hence, the ten commandments cannot be MATERIALLY written in the heart. The ONLY POSSIBLE way it can be transferred to a SPIRITUAL substance is SPIRITUALLY or in PRINCIPLE form - Love.

This does not contradict any Baptist confession of faith nor does it contradict 2 Cor. 3:3 as the ONLY POSSIBLE way for the Holy SPIRIT to write it on SPIRITUAL substance is in a SPIRITUAL form - the principle of love.

 

[The Biblicist]

Indeed the New Covenant itself in Jer 31:31-33 and quoted again in Heb 8 points to the fact that the Law of God is "written on the mind and heart" under the New Covenant.

The law leads the lost to Christ. But as Wesley pointed out - Christ leads the saved to obedience to the Law. (hint Romans 6).

Thus Christ could say "If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15 quoting Ex 20:6 in the TEN Commandments that speaks of those who "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments".

The goal - or end of the Law for the lost is to lead the lost to Christ.

The ten commandments as administered under the Old Covenant is abolished. Under the new covenant it is written in its SPIRITUAL PRINCIPLE upon immaterial spiritual substance of the heart. The heart itself is not a MATERIAL substance but speaks of SPIRITUAL INTENT and PRINICPLES at work in the person.

You are attempting to mix the Old and New Covenant together which cannot be done. You are attempting to say on one hand we are justified by faith in Christ without works of the law but on the other hand we are justified by faith in Christ without the works of the Law IN ORDER TO BE justified by the works of the law. This is a MIXTURE, an unholy and ungodly mixture.

 

[BobRyan]

This does not contradict any Baptist confession of faith

[FONT=&quot]Baptist Confession of Faith 1689[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

19. The Law of God

1. God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.


2. The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the Ten Commandments, and written in two tables, the first fourcontaining our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.

3. Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away.

4. To the people of Israel He also gave sundry judicial laws which expired when they ceased to be a nation. These are not binding on anyone now by virtue of their being part of the laws of that nation, but their general equity continue to be applicable in modern times.

5. The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others, and not only out of regard for the matter contained in it, but also out of respect for the authority of God the Creator, Who gave the law. Nor does Christ in the Gospel dissolve this law in any way, but He considerably strengthens our obligation to obey it.

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[The Biblicist]

[FONT=&quot]Baptist Confession of Faith 1689[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

19. The Law of God

1. God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.


2. The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the Ten Commandments, and written in two tables, the first fourcontaining our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.

3. Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away.

4. To the people of Israel He also gave sundry judicial laws which expired when they ceased to be a nation. These are not binding on anyone now by virtue of their being part of the laws of that nation, but their general equity continue to be applicable in modern times.

5. The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others, and not only out of regard for the matter contained in it, but also out of respect for the authority of God the Creator, Who gave the law. Nor does Christ in the Gospel dissolve this law in any way, but He considerably strengthens our obligation to obey it.

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What I said does not deny a single solitary word in the above confession, it merely EXPLAINS how the ten commandments are written on the heart. Thye are not writtin materially or on a material substance. If you can't understand that then that is your problem not mine.

 

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted by BobRyan
As your own "Baptist Confession of Faith" points out (with emphasis in C.H. Spurgeon's rendering of it) - the Ten Commandments are included in that moral law of God - given to all mankind - starting in Eden and applicable even to the saints today.

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What is written in the heart is not Saturday or Sunday. No heathen culture now or ever can be found where a heathen unfamiliar with the law of Moses or New Testament where they naturally observe either Saturday or Sunday as a Sabbath! Can't be found because the fourth commandment nor any EXTERNAL FORM of any other commandment is written on the heart. What is written on the heart is the Law in its PRINCIPLE substance
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Hint- the pagans worship false gods.

Your own Baptist Confession of Faith - states that it is the SAME day that is kept holy as the 4th commandment Sabbath "from creation to the resurrection".

I think we are all aware of that fact by now.

Heathen cultures "naturaly engage in worship of false God's" - however your own "Baptist Confession of Faith" states that the TEN Commandments are the "Mora law of God" -

It is that document that "admits" that the Ten Commandment - moral law of God is that which is written on the heart.

Baptist Confession of Faith 1689


19. The Law of God


1. God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.

2. The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinaiin the Ten Commandments, and written in two tables, the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.

3. Besides this law, commonly called the moral law,God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away.

4. To the people of Israel He also gave sundry judicial laws which expired when they ceased to be a nation. These are not binding on anyone now by virtue of their being part of the laws of that nation, but their general equity continue to be applicable in modern times.

5. The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others, and not only out of regard for the matter contained in it, but also out of respect for the authority of God the Creator, Who gave the law. Nor does Christ in the Gospel dissolve this law in any way, but He considerably strengthens our obligation to obey it. [FONT=&quot]

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[FONT=&quot]Chapter 22: Of Religious Worship and the Sabbath Day[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

1. The light of nature shews that there is a God, who hath lordship and sovereignty over all; is just, good and doth good unto all; and is therefore to be feared, loved, praised, called upon, trusted in, and served, with all the heart and all the soul, and with all the might. But the acceptable way of worshipping the true God, is instituted by himself, and so limited by his own revealed will, that he may not be worshipped according to the imagination and devices of men, nor the suggestions of Satan, under any visible representations, or any other way which from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ was the last day of the week not prescribed in the Holy Scriptures. ( Jeremiah 10:7; Mark 12:33; Deuteronomy 12:32; Exodus 20:4-6 )
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7. As it is the law of nature, that in general a proportion of time, by God's appointment, be set apart for the worship of God, so by his Word, in a positive moral, and perpetual commandment, binding all men, in all ages, [/FONT]