1 Corinthans 6:17

[percho]

Simon Kistemaker in his commentary on 1 Cor 6:17 (Baker Books (2002).
"'But the one who cleaves to the Lord is one spirit with him.'
The verse parallels the first part of the preceding verse: 'the one who cleaves to a prostitute in one body with her.' The verb 'to cleave,' used in both verses, actually means to be glued to someone. The relationship is as close as two pieces of glass lying on top of one another; it is impossible to lift the one piece from the other because the air pressure glues them together. .........
A believer becomes united with the Lord through the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit. ....... Paul uses the present middle participle....."

Peter Naylor, in his commentary (Evangelical Press, 1996).
"Possibly recalling the command of Deuteronomy 10:20 for Israel to be joined to Jehovah, Paul insists that the believer 'Who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him.' He has entered into an intimate relationship with the Lord Jesus, and the Spirit of Christ dwells in him. In the words of Romans 8:9-10, 'You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit ... Christ is in you. "

A sinner cleaves, or joins himself to a prostitute (1 Cor. 6:16) willingly, drawn by his own sinful nature. We come to Christ willingly (eg. Psalms 110:3; Matthew 11:28), but we only come because we are drawn, made willing, by God (John 6:44; 1 Corinthians 2:14). Your insistence that kollomenos is passive is the result of your incorrect understanding of the way of salvation, which is, of course, what this thread is about. If kollomenos is passive in 1 Cor. 6:17, it must surely also be passive in the preceding verse.

A thought.

In a wedding ceremony are two joining themselves or is the Lord joining them?

what therefore God did join together, let not man put asunder.'

Also it brings to mind Hosea 1:2 The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD.

 

[kyredneck]

involved in a debate over Calvinism and Arminianism. That was one reason that I have absented myself from this board for several months.

Hmm, as I remember it, it was a debate about Satan's role in The Crucifixion, in which you insisted that Satan had no part.

Men's hearts, by nature are inclined to evil (Genesis 8:21).

You believe the truth of Genesis 8:21, but reject the truth of Genesis 3:15, "thou shalt bruise His heel".

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Hmm, as I remember it, it was a debate about Satan's role in The Crucifixion, in which you insisted that Satan had no part.

I suggest you read the thread again. Satan was very busy in the crucifixion and the time leading up to it, just not in the way you imagine.

You believe the truth of Genesis 8:21, but reject the truth of Genesis 3:15, "thou shalt bruise His heel".

See above.
If you are puffing yourself up thinking that you chased me out of the B.B., you are mistaken, as usual.

 

[kyredneck]

I suggest you read the thread again. Satan was very busy in the crucifixion and the time leading up to it, just not in the way you imagine.

Yea? Isn't it your position/imagination that Satan was actually trying to prevent the crucifixion?

If you are puffing yourself up thinking that you chased me out of the B.B., you are mistaken, as usual.

That's right adolescent of you Martin. The truth is you weren't 'chased off', you were wrong and you couldn't take the heat and you 'ran off'.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

A thought.

In a wedding ceremony are two joining themselves or is the Lord joining them?

The answer is, both of those.

what therefore God did join together, let not man put asunder.'

Also it brings to mind Hosea 1:2 The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD.[/QUOTE]

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Yea? Isn't it your position/imagination that Satan was actually trying to prevent the crucifixion?

Yes. That is very different to saying that he had no part.

That's right adolescent of you Martin. The truth is you weren't 'chased off', you were wrong and you couldn't take the heat and you 'ran off'.

No. I got fed up with the overgrown adolescents on this board, of whom you are one, but alas, not the only one.

 

[kyredneck]

That is very different to saying that he had no part.

How, exactly? Your cockamamie/unbibiblical position is that Satan had no part in the crucifixion because he was in fact trying to keep it from happening.

If that were true then he would have had no part in the crucifixion.

However it's NOT true. Satan instigated and had everything to do with the crucifixion (murder) through his seed.

No. I got fed up with the overgrown adolescents on this board, of whom you are one, but alas, not the only one.

Like I said, you couldn't take the heat. Admitting when you're wrong is definitely not one of your strong points.

 

[percho]

I would say Satan was the reason the Word was made flesh, for it would be through the flesh Satan and his works would be destroyed. I would say that was the plan of God before the foundation of the world.