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Skandelon

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Aaron said:
That thread was deleted.
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Actually it was moved to the Moderator's only forum by Dr. Bob because of all the reports from your personal attack.

Here are my quotes from that thread. Please point out the one where I said that scripture is not "Authoritative."

What is wrong with calling scripture, "the scripture?" Call it "God-Breathed," or use terms that it uses for it-self? Why do we need to make up new terms for it? So we can out-Chrisitian the other Christian and look down our noses that them because our term is more Holy than theirs?

I really don't have that much of an issue calling scripture "God's word," because I'm a reasonable person and understand what is probably intended when one says that, but surely even the most "conservative" among us can draw some distinction between the "thus saith the Lord" passages and statements such as "I have no command from the Lord, but I give my judgment," where Paul gives needed Godly counsel, but does so recognizing there is no direct command of God for it. And the difference between narrative accounts and didactic teachings. And the differences between custom and principle regarding issues such as head coverings. And objectively recognize the uncertainties surrounding variants in older manuscripts such as the Mark passage about handling snakes.

I think these matters should be able to be discussed objectively without the fear of some labeling any questioner as being a heretic who doesn't believe the Bible. Such response reminds me of the three monkeys (see no, hear no, speak no), so they don't have to deal with any difficulty. To me that is not faith, it is just ignorance. (and I'm not saying that about any person here, just in general to mean a "lack of education on the subject")
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Aaron said:
We call the Scriptures the Word of God, because that is what they are. We don't call them the "words of God" as if every word is some law or proverb. We call them the Word because it was "uttered," or "breathed," by God
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So, God uttered the words, "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread," which are the words of Satan while tempting Jesus? Or is this a record or narrative of something Satan uttered? This should not be a point of contention with us. Surely any reasonable and objective person can distinguish between words uttered by God and those uttered by Satan, both of which are recorded BY INSPIRED MEN OF GOD in the RELIABLE and AUTHORITATIVE scriptures. Right?
 
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Skandelon said:
Actually it was moved to the Moderator's only forum by Dr. Bob because of all the reports from your personal attack.

Here are my quotes from that thread. Please point out the one where I said that scripture is not "Authoritative."



So, God uttered the words, "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread," which are the words of Satan while tempting Jesus? Or is this a record or narrative of something Satan uttered? This should not be a point of contention with us. Surely any reasonable and objective person can distinguish between words uttered by God and those uttered by Satan, both of which are recorded in the RELIABLE and AUTHORITATIVE scriptures. Right?
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More interested in IF you view ALL scripture as equally inspired/infallible, regardless if it says God said, or paul opinion?
 
Skandelon

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JesusFan said:
More interested in IF you view ALL scripture as equally inspired/infallible, regardless if it says God said, or paul opinion?
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I have affirmed my belief in the inspiration of scripture a number of times in reply to you JF, so I'm not sure what you are REALLY wanting. People hold to different definitions of those terms and vary regarding current manuscripts versus original autographs, so even that question is more complex than one might think.
 
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Skandelon said:
I have affirmed my belief in the inspiration of scripture a number of times in reply to you JF, so I'm not sure what you are REALLY wanting. People hold to different definitions of those terms and vary regarding current manuscripts versus original autographs, so even that question is more complex than one might think.
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NOT accusing anything here!
just seeing IF you hold that when Paul said that this was not from the Lord, but what he thought on the matter

IF that is still equally inspired and binding as IF God himself said it...

As I DO hold there are some cultural things to discewrn in order to see how to apply today!
Also, genres and figures of speech to interprete also.
 
Skandelon

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preacher4truth said:
The "autographs and manuscripts" have nada to do with calling the Scriptures the Word of God. Another strawman/rabbit trail.
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Read the question I was asked and maybe then you could refrain from being purposefully divisive. He asked, "... IF you view ALL scripture as equally inspired/infallible..."
 
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Skandelon said:
Read the question I was asked and maybe then you could refrain from being purposefully divisive. He asked, "... IF you view ALL scripture as equally inspired/infallible..."
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I read your question asked, and your response and there is absolutely nothing divisive about my conclusions other than you just don't happen to like them.

Please refrain from making accusatory statements.

Autographs and manuscripts have nothing to do with this.
 
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Skandelon said:
Read the question I was asked and maybe then you could refrain from being purposefully divisive. He asked, "... IF you view ALL scripture as equally inspired/infallible..."
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Come on...he isnt being purposefully divisive...... Like an umpire in baseball, he is calling them like he sees them. :tonofbricks:
 
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Earth said:
Come on...he isnt being purposefully divisive...... Like an umpire in baseball, he is calling them like he sees them. :tonofbricks:
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Then he would be fired as an umpire for making a call at first when he was watching third. I mentioned manuscripts and autographs in reference to JF's question about the inspiration and infallibility of scripture, not about the other discussion regarding the title of the Bible being "the word of God." If you two can't see that clear distinction I would suggest that umpiring, or any job needing the ability to make a unbiased judgement, would not be the wisest choice. :wavey:
 
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Skandelon said:
Then he would be fired as an umpire for making a call at first when he was watching third. I mentioned manuscripts and autographs in reference to JF's question about the inspiration and infallibility of scripture, not about the other discussion regarding the title of the Bible being "the word of God." If you two can't see that clear distinction I would suggest that umpiring, or any job needing the ability to make a unbiased judgement, would not be the wisest choice. :wavey:
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Gee, you almost hurt my feelings:laugh:
 
Skandelon

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Aaron said:
This is a yes or no question, Scandal. Why don't you simply answer it?
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Please pay attention Aaron. I said that I did, but qualified it by pointing to the known fact that various scholars define those terms differently and hold to diverse views depending upon if one is addressing the original autographs or our current manuscripts. But I suspect you already know that and are merely using this as an opportunity to nit-pick and cause unneeded division as that appears to be you MO. :sleep:
 
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The autographs don't exist. No one is asking you about them. The question was about Paul's "opinion." Will God hold one accountable to Paul's "opinion" as if the words were spoken by Christ Himself on the earth?
 
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