10 Dangers of Theistic Evolution

[Aaron]

Lisle is assuming that people like Hugh Ross ARE letting "science" dictate to them what the Scripture teaches.

This is a false assumption.

Secondly, he assumes that science and the Bible are at odds. They are not- ever.

There were people who thought science was at odds with the Bible when Galileo said the Earth was not the center of the galaxy and that it rotated around the sun rather than vice versa.

The problem was not Galileo's SCIENCE- it was the Church's poor hermeneutics.

That's the same problem today.

It is not that the Bible says the earth is very young and science says the Bible is wrong.

It is that the Bible does NOT say the earth is very young and people who are interpreting it improperly are wrong.

I love how the fault always lies with the theologian and never the "scientist."

 

[Revmitchell]

I love how the fault always lies with the theologian and never the "scientist."

Hence science comes before scripture with these folks.

 

[Luke2427]

Actually, that is exactly what it says.

Actually... that's NOT what it says.

Your turn.

 

[Luke2427]

I love how the fault always lies with the theologian and never the "scientist."

Why does it never lie with the scientist?

Who said such nonsense?

Theologians are almost as bad as scientists- if not worse- at getting things wrong and letting tradition dictate their hermeneutics.

That's what you guys are doing. You're like the flat-earth theologians who demanded the Bible taught the earth was flat so science is evil and of the devil.

Just like the church was slow in coming around to a spherical earth and a heliocentric galaxy... the church is slow in coming to see that the Bible no more teaches a young earth than it did a flat earth.

You'll get there. And if not you, then your children will. It's just a matter of time.

 

[Aaron]

Why does it never lie with the scientist?

Who said such nonsense?

Theologians are almost as bad as scientists- if not worse- at getting things wrong and letting tradition dictate their hermeneutics.

That's what you guys are doing. You're like the flat-earth theologians who demanded the Bible taught the earth was flat so science is evil and of the devil.

Just like the church was slow in coming around to a spherical earth and a heliocentric galaxy... the church is slow in coming to see that the Bible no more teaches a young earth than it did a flat earth.

You'll get there. And if not you, then your children will. It's just a matter of time.

Let's play Spot the Urban Legends in the punk's post. Shall I go first?

 

[Luke2427]

Let's play Spot the Urban Legends in the punk's post. Shall I go first?

Yes please do. Or this post of yours amounts to nothing but a drive-by troll attack.

 

[Aaron]

Sure. The easiest target is your flat earth bulldung. For all your harping on scholarship, your demonstration thereof is leaving much to be desired.

 

[OldRegular]

Secondly, he assumes that science and the Bible are at odds. They are not- ever.

Your understanding of Lisle is faulty. He is a scientist with a PhD in astrophysics and is engaged in scientific research. He would argue that true science agrees with Scripture.

 

[Revmitchell]

Some people rely so heavily on academia that they lose their critical thinking skills. It becomes a crutch that puffs them up.

 

[Luke2427]

Your understanding of Lisle is faulty. He is a scientist with a PhD in astrophysics and is engaged in scientific research. He would argue that true science agrees with Scripture.

For every one person like Lisle in that field there are a thousand who think he is a moron.

 

[Luke2427]

Some people rely so heavily on academia that they lose their critical thinking skills. It becomes a crutch that puffs them up.

Some people rely so heavily on drive-by inflammatory posts that say nothing but only serve to attack people that all thinking people see them as irrelevant to the conversation and pitiful, bitter, little trouble-makers.

 

[Luke2427]

Sure. The easiest target is your flat earth bulldung. For all your harping on scholarship, your demonstration thereof is leaving much to be desired.

So...

You think that it is UNSCHOLARLY to purport that there was a point in time when most Christians thought the earth was flat?

If you DO think that... well... YOUR demonstration of scholarship leaves much to be desired.

 

[Aaron]

So...

You think that it is UNSCHOLARLY to purport that there was a point in time when most Christians thought the earth was flat?

If you DO think that... well... YOUR demonstration of scholarship leaves much to be desired.

Time to start citing your sources, Superstition Boy.

This is going to be fun. :type:

 

[OldRegular]

For every one person like Lisle in that field there are a thousand who think he is a moron.

A thousand "who", astrophysicists or people like you. Whichever, you are writing from an uninformed position by making such a statement. Have you ever studied any branch of science?

Sad to say but you sound {metaphorically speaking} like one of the Bio Logos converts.

 

[Revmitchell]

This appeal to numbers is amusing. The vast majority of those so called numbers despise even the idea that God was involved at all and believe theistic evolutionists are a joke.

 

[quantumfaith]

This appeal to numbers is amusing. The vast majority of those so called numbers despise even the idea that God was involved at all and believe theistic evolutionists are a joke.

The "numbers" have no feeling, but yes, many scientists of the naturalist flavor and bent think TE, ID, OEC, YEC are all intellectual ninkapoomps. Doesn't bother me.

 

[Luke2427]

So...

You think that it is UNSCHOLARLY to purport that there was a point in time when most Christians thought the earth was flat?

If you DO think that... well... YOUR demonstration of scholarship leaves much to be desired.

"But if you inquire from those who defend these marvellous fictions, why all things do not fall into that lower part of the heaven, they reply that such is the nature of things, that heavy bodies are borne to the middle, and that they are all joined together towards the middle, as we see spokes in a wheel; but that the bodies that are light, as mist, smoke, and fire, are borne away from the middle, so as to seek the heaven. I am at a loss what to say respecting those who, when they have once erred, consistently persevere in their folly, and defend one vain thing by another."

- Lactantius, The Divine Institutes, Book III, Chapter XXIV, THE ANTE-NICENE FATHERS, Vol VII, ed. Rev. Alexander Roberts, D.D., and James Donaldson, LL.D., American reprint of the Edinburgh edition (1979), W.B.Eerdmans Publishing Co.,Grand Rapids, MI, pp.94-95.


"But as to the fable that there are Antipodes, that is to say, men on the opposite side of the earth, where the sun rises when it sets to us, men who walk with their feet opposite ours that is on no ground credible. And, indeed, it is not affirmed that this has been learned by historical knowledge, but by scientific conjecture, on the ground that the earth is suspended within the concavity of the sky, and that it has as much room on the one side of it as on the other: hence they say that the part that is beneath must also be inhabited. But they do not remark that, although it be supposed or scientifically demonstrated that the world is of a round and spherical form, yet it does not follow that the other side of the earth is bare of water; nor even, though it be bare, does it immediately follow that it is peopled."

De Civitate Dei, Book XVI, Chapter 9 — Whether We are to Believe in the Antipodes, translated by Rev. Marcus Dods, D.D.; from the Christian Classics Ethereal Library at Calvin College


Glad I could help.:thumbs:

 

[OldRegular]

"But if you inquire from those who defend these marvellous fictions, why all things do not fall into that lower part of the heaven, they reply that such is the nature of things, that heavy bodies are borne to the middle, and that they are all joined together towards the middle, as we see spokes in a wheel; but that the bodies that are light, as mist, smoke, and fire, are borne away from the middle, so as to seek the heaven. I am at a loss what to say respecting those who, when they have once erred, consistently persevere in their folly, and defend one vain thing by another."

- Lactantius, The Divine Institutes, Book III, Chapter XXIV, THE ANTE-NICENE FATHERS, Vol VII, ed. Rev. Alexander Roberts, D.D., and James Donaldson, LL.D., American reprint of the Edinburgh edition (1979), W.B.Eerdmans Publishing Co.,Grand Rapids, MI, pp.94-95.


"But as to the fable that there are Antipodes, that is to say, men on the opposite side of the earth, where the sun rises when it sets to us, men who walk with their feet opposite ours that is on no ground credible. And, indeed, it is not affirmed that this has been learned by historical knowledge, but by scientific conjecture, on the ground that the earth is suspended within the concavity of the sky, and that it has as much room on the one side of it as on the other: hence they say that the part that is beneath must also be inhabited. But they do not remark that, although it be supposed or scientifically demonstrated that the world is of a round and spherical form, yet it does not follow that the other side of the earth is bare of water; nor even, though it be bare, does it immediately follow that it is peopled."

De Civitate Dei, Book XVI, Chapter 9 — Whether We are to Believe in the Antipodes, translated by Rev. Marcus Dods, D.D.; from the Christian Classics Ethereal Library at Calvin College


Glad I could help.:thumbs:

And your point is?

 

[Luke2427]

A thousand "who", astrophysicists or people like you. Whichever, you are writing from an uninformed position by making such a statement. Have you ever studied any branch of science?

Sad to say but you sound {metaphorically speaking} like one of the Bio Logos converts.

"You sound like a..." is always a snotty statement to me.

It is not an argument. It is designed to demean or lump someone in a category in a negative way.

I can do it, too.

"You sound like one of those backwards, backwater, snake-handling moron converts."

See, its kind of a jerk thing to do isn't it?

Even if it is true.

 

[Luke2427]

And your point is?

How could you not GET the point???

Aaron asked me to site early church people who espoused a flat-earth.

I did.

Can you not get that????