10 Misconceptions of the RCC

[Thinkingstuff]

Their original intent may have been to demonstrate that there were two distinct natures in the person of Jesus Christ as Chalcedon says. However, history and the many quotes that have been presented here, shows that because of the titles given to Mary, the mother of the human nature of Jesus Christ, she occupies the position of redeemer in the minds of Roman Catholics. The pope and the Teaching Magisterium have done nothing to correct this heresy but have encouraged it. And that is a fact!



It appears they are getting something right!

Which is why Catholics as well as Orthodox use Theotokos. And your statement above shows how little you know what the pope or the Catholic Church encourages.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Roman Catholicism, by asserting that Mary is the Mother of God are teaching that:

1. she is divine

Nope they are asserting that at the point of Conseption Jesus is divine as well as human as Mary cannot be more than a human being thus being the Mother of God within her who cannot be more than a human being was the eternal Word who created her.

2. she is the queen of the universe

That is not asserted by saying Mother of God. However, she is the Queen Mother if Jesus is to be the King.

3. participated in Christ’s suffering for mankind

Doesn't assert this at all. What the scriptures do say from Simeon the prophet is that she suffered because he suffered ("a sword shall also pierce you heart". Her suffering doesn't atone for our sin.

4. she is Co-redemptrix according to Pope Pius XI

she prays for our salvation.

5. she is our Life, our Help, our Advocate, our Guardian, our Mediatress, our Salvation, and the Hope of Sinners, according to the RC saint Alphonsus Mary de Liguori

He certainly had a extreme devotion to her and viewed her as a mother for himself.

6. she is the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race according to St. Irenaeus and confirmed by Vatican II

God used her to bring Christ into the world who (christ) saves us.

7. she is Most Holy Virgin Immaculate, my Mother Mary, to Thee who art the Mother of my Lord, the Queen of the universe, the advocate, the hope, the refuge of sinners according to St. Alphonsus de Liguori

If I knew a perfect person who I could use as a role model I would.

What more evidence do you need to demonstrate that Roman Catholicism elevates the human Mary to a position greater than the Divine nature of Jesus Christ!

None of those things elevate mary to divinity.

I have never said that while Jesus Christ was in the womb of Mary He had only a human nature. If you can produce that statement by me then do so. Otherwise admit that you are deliberately lying!

Where have I lied? I'm quoting you from post 279

Mary the Mother of the human nature of Jesus Christ.

it is clear from this statement that it that Mary only bore within her womb the "human nature of Jesus Christ". This statements indicates that while Mary carried within her womb the human nature of Jesus it excludes the divine nature within her womb.

Let me ask you these two simple questions. 1. Is Jesus God? 2. Is Mary Jesus' mother? If both are true you get "Mother of God". Just like what Elizabeth says in Luke.

 

[OldRegular]

Nope they are asserting that at the point of Conseption Jesus is divine as well as human as Mary cannot be more than a human being thus being the Mother of God within her who cannot be more than a human being was the eternal Word who created her.


That is not asserted by saying Mother of God. However, she is the Queen Mother if Jesus is to be the King.


Doesn't assert this at all. What the scriptures do say from Simeon the prophet is that she suffered because he suffered ("a sword shall also pierce you heart". Her suffering doesn't atone for our sin.


she prays for our salvation.


He certainly had a extreme devotion to her and viewed her as a mother for himself.


God used her to bring Christ into the world who (christ) saves us.


If I knew a perfect person who I could use as a role model I would.


None of those things elevate mary to divinity.

Thinkingstuff

All the stuff I said about Mary, except her divinity which is asserted when she is called the Mother of God, were taken from remarks by -RC Saints & popes so your denial of them is nonsensical.

Where have I lied? I'm quoting you from post 279 it is clear from this statement that it that Mary only bore within her womb the "human nature of Jesus Christ".

That is the lie. I said nothing about what Mary bore within her womb. I said Mary was the mother of the human nature of Jesus Christ in post #278.

Original post#278 by OldRegular responded to by Thinkingstuff in post#279
I don't believe I have made any derogatory remarks about Mary the Mother of the human nature of Jesus Christ.

It is unacceptable to demean the person of Mary in any way. If I have I sincerely regret it.

Mary can in no way be responsible for those who have grossly misused her person for their hellish doctrine. Frankly these heretical claims demean the person of the woman Mary. It is unfathomable to me why these people would do such but it is a lesson to all that error creeps into the Church and soon becomes heresy if left unchecked!

This statements indicates that while Mary carried within her womb the human nature of Jesus it excludes the divine nature within her womb.

Only in the mind of one who has been brainwashed by the pope and the Teaching Magisterium of Roman Catholicism

Let me ask you these two simple questions. 1. Is Jesus God? 2. Is Mary Jesus' mother? If both are true you get "Mother of God". Just like what Elizabeth says in Luke.

I believe that is called circular reasoning or "begging the question". Whatever, it is false and is blasphemous heresy.

Luke 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

The word "Lord" translates the Greek word "kurios" which means supreme in authority, i.e. (as noun) controller; by implication, Mr. (as a respectful title):-- God, Lord, master, Sir.

Some of the Greek scholars might explain this further but there is nothing here that says Mary is the mother of the divine nature of Jesus Christ. Making that claim implies that Mary is divine and it is apparently interpreted that way by most Roman Catholics.

This episode in Luke is the bulk of what Scripture teaches about Mary yet the Pope and Teaching Magisterium have exploded them so that the average Roman Catholic knows more about Mary than they do Jesus Christ. And Mary never saved anyone, not even herself!

Mary is simply the vessel through which God brought about the Incarnation. That is it, pure and simple. Nothing demonstrates this better than the following Scripture:

John 2:1-4
1. And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
2. And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.
3. And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
4. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.

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