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100% or 95-98%?

Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by FrankBetz, Apr 24, 2005.

  1. robycop3

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    Hank...

    Easter under that name became part of the RCC repertoire after some missionaries under the auspices of Constantine went to preach to some of the Germanic tribes. (Remember, the Romans could NOT conquer them!) These missionaries saw that the spring rite of Austern, or Ostern, was deeply ingrained into those peoples. Therefore they adopted some of their legends, such as the egg-laying bunny, and some of their customs, such as hot-cross buns, Austern-bonnets, a suit of new clothes, and sunrise service, into their already-existing Resurrection-Day observance, even using the german, Scandinavian, and Teutonic names for it in their attempts to make Christian observances acceptable to the pagans. In other words, they COMPROMISED on their Christianity.
     
  2. TCassidy

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    Well, other than the OED, Random House, Webster, and present practice in Scotland, you mean?

    Cranston, you have leared well at the feet of the KJVOs. If all the evidence proves you are wrong, just ignore all the evidence. Ruckman and Riplinger would be so proud of you!
     
  3. robycop3

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    quote:Originally posted by robycop3:
    In other words, YOU CAN'T PROVIDE IT.

    TCassidy: Well, other than the OED, Random House, Webster, and present practice in Scotland, you mean?

    Cranston, you have leared well at the feet of the KJVOs. If all the evidence proves you are wrong, just ignore all the evidence. Ruckman and Riplinger would be so proud of you!


    Still dodging!
     
  4. TCassidy

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    Still denying all the evidence which proves you wrong.

    Let's see some more for you to deny:

    E'ASTER, n. A festival of the christian church observed in commemoration of our Savior's resurrection. It answers to the pascha or passover of the Hebrews, and most nations still give it this name, pascha, pask, paque.

    PASCH, n. [See Paschal.] The passover; the feast of Easter.

    PAS'CHAL, a. [L. pascha.] Pertaining to the passover, or to Easter.

    PASCH-EGG, n. An egg stained and presented to young persons, about the time of Easter.

    Yep, Ruckman and Riplinger must really be proud of you!
     
  5. robycop3

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    Doc Cas, you try every path but the one very simple one I asked for...Literature contemporary with the AV 1611 which uses easter for Passover. No rocket science required. Surely someone as yourself, with access to a mega-library could provide a simple answer to a simple question...if it exists.

    Yes, I HAVE learned something from the KJVOs...when they can't answer a simple little question, they try to change the subject, as do some others I can think of...
     
  6. TCassidy

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    Asked and answered at least a dozen times, but you still ignore all the evidence and claim victory.

    Cranston you really need to get a life.
     
  7. icthus

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    Time this thread was wrapped up?
     
  8. Ed Edwards

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    Who is Cranston?
    I've not seen that USER NAME on this topic.
     
  9. TCassidy

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    You need to pay attention, Ed. [​IMG]
     
  10. Ed Edwards

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    You Sir TCassidy need to tend to your scriptures:

    Keep it simple, don't be obtuse or complex:
    James 5:12 (KJV1611 Edition):

    But aboue all things, my brethren, sweare not, neither by heauen,
    neither by the earth, neither by any other othe:
    but let your yea, be yea, and your nay, nay:
    lest yee fall into condemnation.


    James 2:2-4 (KJV1611 Edition):

    For if there come vnto your assembly a man with a gold ring,
    in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poore man, in vile raiment:
    3 And yee haue respect to him that weareth the gay clothing,
    and say vnto him
    , Sit thou here in a good place: and say
    to the poore, Stand thou there, or sit here vnder my footstoole:
    4 Are yee not then partiall in your selues,
    and are become iudges of euill thoughts?

    Only in this case the better person is he who
    can remember the User Name of 'Cranston' :confused:
     
  11. HankD

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    This issue has been ground into a very fine powder.

    Both sides can and have been documented.

    Personally, I'm done (until the next outbreak).

    HankD
     
  12. TCassidy

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    I do, but thank you for implying that I don't so am less spiritual than you. Oh, and thank you for mocking my name too.
    My statement to Cranston was quite simple, and not at all complex.
     
  13. Ed Edwards

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    Isa 48:4 (KJV1611 Edition):
    Because I knew that thou art obstinate, and thy necke
    is an yron sinew, and thy brow brasse:

    Please, will anyone remind me again the
    USER NAME of Cranston. Thank you.

    BTW, i'm on record as noting the foolishness of secret
    information like nicknames and given names
    that are NOT user names.
    The use of such 'secret'/'inside information' hints of
    unGodly factionism and the occult (secret).
    But hey, it is alright to pick
    on those who suffer mind illnesses (like lack of long-term
    memory).
     
  14. robycop3

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    For the record, I AM CRANSTON; that's my given name(3rd Cranston in line, named after Lamont Cranston, "The Shadow" of comix & radio).

    Also for the record, TCassidy is NOT KJVO; this discussion over the correctness of Easter in Acts 12:4 has been ongoing for awhile in other places. His evidence is its use in the AV, the philology of the word "Easter" in the OED, which cites earlier uses of Easter for Passover in older English Bibles, Random House's statement that Easter was an acceptable sub for Passover TILL(not during) THE 17TH CENTURY, and the things you've seen posted here. MY evidence against the correctness of such use is the fact that the AV renders pascha as Passover in every other instance, the fact that the older Geneva Bible renders pascha as Passover in every instance in its later editions, the fact that Luke, by the context of the preceeding words clearly indicated Peter's arrest occurred during Passover Week, the fact that Easter didn't exist during Luke's day, and the glaring lack of Easter's being used for Passover in other literature contemporary with the AV. Actually, neither of us can make his case beyond a reasonable doubt, but we each believe we have a preponderance of the evidence. So I reckon it's up to each individual reader to decide for him/herself, but as for me, I'll stick to my guns.

    But again, in all fairness to TC, he's NOT KJVO.
     
  15. Ransom

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    Ed asked:

    Please, will anyone remind me again the
    USER NAME of Cranston.


    Cranston is robycop. No doubt Cassidy thinks using someone's True Name instead of his nick makes him look more penetrating and important. (It doesn't.)
     
  16. TCassidy

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    No, Scott, it is just a little more personal and friendlier than using screen names. Cranston has never tried to hide his identity behind a screen name, and is well known on many boards such as this, and, on most of them, signs his posts with his real name. No big secret. No mysterious ulterior motives. No inflated opinions of self importance, just his name. [​IMG]
     
  17. FrankBetz

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    So? Does that show the implicity that anyone who is under suspicion to be railed upon? Yes.

    And to conclude your's and other's disdain, I am NOT "KJVO" either.

    BUT!! Since the Passover WAS! under the Ceremonial aspect of God's Law AND! Jesus FULFILLED ALL the requirements of the Ceremonial Law, Easter is therefore CORRECT!!
    Unless you're practicing Judaism, that is.

    And ransom, you're wrong AGAIN! It's "robycop3" [​IMG] :D
     
  18. FrankBetz

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    So we're to understand that Herod, in order to please the Jews, waited until after the season of the resurrection of Jesus Christ? And that if we read that he was instead waiting for "Passover", we English people would find it "confusing and contradictory" and not easy to understand? Uh, right. </font>[/QUOTE]Nope.

    Luke was a Christian, writing from the Christian perspective. I believe the physician was eloquent and intelligent enough to know that the Passover had no significance any longer, so did the KJB translators. Why don't you?

    To force the Greek to be limited to only say that "pascha" means ONLY Passover is Biblically INCORRECT!!, and any version that states the same is also INCORRECT!
     
  19. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    I think this thread has had its run. It has been an Easter/Passover debate for several pages, interspersed with a few insults along the way. We are way past page five and it bears little resemblance to the OP on "100% v 95-98% accurate."

    Lets give it a few hours for any closing comments.

    Roger
    C4K
     
  20. FrankBetz

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    Well c4k, it's either 100% Easter or 100% Passover. Whom do ye worship? Jesus Christ, or O.T. Ceremonial Laws?

    It's either 100% Inspired and correct, or it's only 95-98% (equated by doubting men).

    Either God is 100% capable of preserving His Word, and w/o any contradiction, BTW, or he is only 95-98% God and lets men have the other 2-5% to play with. Now, which is it?

    And if you start that drool of "name calling" again, I will still press you to show evidence!! [​IMG]
     
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