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139 degrees?

kyredneck

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Yesterday, I was thinking back to the hottest stretch of weather I have ever been through, which was back in 2000 when we had a bunch of well over 100 degree days, the hottest being 112 degrees. I may have missed it, but I don't recall the news media making a big national deal out of El Dorado in southern Arkansas baking in the sun. Also, 6 of the 9 days before August 14, 2000, were 100 degrees or above. This info comes from a good website for data: www.extremeweatherwatch.com.

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La Niña that year. I remember it well.

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2008JD011185

The 1998-2000 La Niña in the context of historically strong La Niña events

It was first and only year we searched for and hunted watering holes for deer. It was scary dry in the woods.
 
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Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin

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The question is not ‘is global warming real’? It’s ‘is it man made’?
Compared to 50 to 100 years ago I know our Novembers are hotter. The old timers used to could kill hogs in November. Now we can't kill until Late December/Early Jan.

Most folks here used to salt cure their pork. It's been hot enough in the winter here that we can't salt cure like the old folks. Neighbor of mine actually uses an old refrigerated semi-truck, rigged with a window cooler to keep temps low enough to cure his pork.

No idea what's causing it either way. I doubt it's cow farts.
 

canadyjd

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While I'm not sufficiently versed in climatology and physics to attempt addressing causes, the temperatures in my little part of the world - northern New England - have definitely risen during the past 40 years, especially in this century. Even considering that the 1960s-70s were somewhat cooler than the 40s-50s, the overall increase seems valid and the past 20+ years have seen the change at its greatest.
Snowfall has been different, as predicted by some models, in places where winter temperatures average far below 32°. Most climate models predict increasing precipitation in humid climates like NNE, so even though we've been getting more rain/ice in recent winters, the amount of snow has also increased.
Another common prediction is greater extremes, which I've also noted. (I've kept weather records for 60+ years though currently I only have the 50 years in Maine, with some gaps in 1973-75. The earlier New Jersey records failed to make one of the crosstown moves in Fort Kent.) Of course, those extremes provide ammo for both sides of the issue.

Edit: The forecasts I've read for Death Valley topped out around 130°, with overnights 100 or a bit above. :Devilish A few degrees either way from that 130 is no surprise but crushing by 5° the world's highest temperature on record (a somewhat disputed 134° in Death Vally) is highly unlikely.
My step father was a meteorologist with NWS. He would laugh at claims of global warming or cooling.

We have only kept temperature records for about 100 years, and have only kept widespread (global) records for for a few decades. Any antidotal evidence of personal experience doesn’t really reveal anything globally, or even locally.

In the early 2000, climatologists in England produced a paper that demonstrated decreasing global temps and linked all such changes to sunspot activities.

There have been e-mails obtained through FOIA requests that shows UN climate “experts” conspired to destroy those people’s careers.

Normally, if you disagreed with a scientific finding, you would publish a response in peer reviewed journals.

What this proves is the global warming crowd is political, not scientific. And worse, they are totalitarian despots that shut down opposition opinions.

Peace to you
 

Van

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So have the actual Death Valley peak temperatures been published for this heat wave?


10July 2023
113°


11
118°


12
118°


13
116°


14
124°


15
126°

Today at 10:00 AM, the temperature is less than average for the day (ave = 118) and the forecast was 129. Note the record high temp for the 16th of July was set in 2006 at 127.

Wait and see...
 
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Piper

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Just saw a story this week about increased sun spot activity and major solar flares occurring over the past few weeks.

Scientists have known for many decades the connection between sun spiot activity, or lack thereof, of slight variations in surface temps on earth.

Good news! “Global warming” isn’t happening.

Bad news!! Radical liberals don’t care and will continue to push their agenda

peace to you
Of course global warming is not happening. BUt for those who believe that the earth has been around for millions or billions of years, truth does not matter.
 

37818

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Of course global warming is not happening. BUt for those who believe that the earth has been around for millions or billions of years, truth does not matter.
It depends on what evidence is being looked at and how one already believes before hand to interpert said evidence.
 

Piper

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It depends on what evidence is being looked at and how one already believes before hand to interpert said evidence.
Right, going into the global warming discussion with a predisposition toward evolution, big bang, Carl Sagan billions of years and Steven Hawking being a genius, you'd always fall on the global warming side.
 

37818

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Right, going into the global warming discussion with a predisposition toward evolution, big bang, Carl Sagan billions of years and Steven Hawking being a genius, you'd always fall on the global warming side.


From another thread.
What was done, fixed one problem causing a worst problem.


CFC's were replaced by hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs), which do not deplete the ozone, but they do have up to 9,000 times greater warming capacity than carbon dioxide.

Nitrogen 78% of air.
Oxygen 21% of air.
Argon about 1% of air
Carbon dioxide 0.03% to 0.04% of air.
 

OnlyaSinner

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My step father was a meteorologist with NWS. He would laugh at claims of global warming or cooling.

We have only kept temperature records for about 100 years, and have only kept widespread (global) records for for a few decades. Any antidotal evidence of personal experience doesn’t really reveal anything globally, or even locally.

In the early 2000, climatologists in England produced a paper that demonstrated decreasing global temps and linked all such changes to sunspot activities.

There have been e-mails obtained through FOIA requests that shows UN climate “experts” conspired to destroy those people’s careers.

Normally, if you disagreed with a scientific finding, you would publish a response in peer reviewed journals.

What this proves is the global warming crowd is political, not scientific. And worse, they are totalitarian despots that shut down opposition opinions.

Peace to you
Much truth there, though my anecdotal evidence is my 50 years of daily weather observations, with the same thermometer used since January 1,1976. That's definitely "local" though I've lived in 5 different sites across Maine since moving from Bangor to Fort Kent. I've also downloaded co-op data for a number of places in New England, some dating back into the 19th century, and some trends during that short (compared to the years since Creation) span are consistent. The 40s and 50s were warmer than the first 30 years of the 20th century, the 60s and 70s were cooler than the 40s-50s, and since then average temperatures have been rising at most sites. This has been consistent in the large urban heat islands and in more rural locales like Farmington and Caribou, Maine.
Snowfall has been different, and farther south than I would have expected. Boston has recorded 23 storms with over 15" and 16 have come since 1990. NYC's (Central Park) top ten include 7 from January 1996 on and Baltimore (at their airport on the western edge of town) havs recorded 3 of their biggest snowfalls this century. More extremes for folks to "prove" their position, no matter which opinion they hold.
Once again, I have no opinion on how much (if any) of this is natural cycles or anthropological (or both).
 

Van

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So have the actual Death Valley peak temperatures been published for this heat wave?

10July 2023
113°

11
118°

12
118°

13
116°

14
124°

15
126°

Today at 10:00 AM, the temperature is less than average for the day (ave = 118) and the forecast was 129. Note the record high temp for the 16th of July was set in 2006 at 127.

Wait and see...

Some sources reported the temperature reached 128 on Sunday, thus the hottest July 16th, for that particular spot.

OTOH, the hype was overblown, demonstrating our media will overstate a story to sell viewership.
On July 13, this headline appeared:
Topline
Death Valley National Park is projected to set a world record for the hottest temperature ever reliably recorded on this week, with forecasts in aptly-named Furnace Creek expected to reach 131 degrees, as a series of heat waves grip the South and Southwest, bringing dangerously hot conditions to over 100 million Americans.​
 
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