1862 Description of Modern Day Liberal

[carpro]

A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.


-- John Stuart Mill, writing on the U.S. Civil War in 1862

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

<crickets chirping>

 

[carpro]

Originally posted by carpro:
A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.


-- John Stuart Mill, writing on the U.S. Civil War in 1862

Almost prophetic.

 

[Daisy]

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are Conservative.

-- John Stuart Mill, Letter to the Conservative MP, Sir John Pakington (March 1866)

 

[El_Guero]

I need some more good quotes ...

 

[Terry_Herrington]

Originally posted by Daisy:
Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are Conservative.

-- John Stuart Mill, Letter to the Conservative MP, Sir John Pakington (March 1866)

 

[carpro]

Mill is a treasure trove of good quotes. He had no experience with any person that resembled what would become the modern liberal. Indeed, the name meant something entirely different back then, but he was familiar with the type. He just didn't know they would eventually be known as liberals.


War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.
John Stuart Mill

 

[Ps104_33]

He was also an atheist, was he not?

 

[carpro]

Originally posted by Ps104_33:
He was also an atheist, was he not?

Not sure but it wouldn't surprise me since he is considered the father of liberalism, the kissing cousin of Marxism. He couldn't have envisioned how bad it would become.

 

[Rocko9]

Originally posted by carpro:
A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.


-- John Stuart Mill, writing on the U.S. Civil War in 1862

I'm sure this made the headlines back in 1862.
Seems like only yesterday.

 

[OldRegular]

Originally posted by Daisy:
Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are Conservative.

-- John Stuart Mill, Letter to the Conservative MP, Sir John Pakington (March 1866)

It is tough to find out I have been mistaken all these years.

I thought it was liberals who were stupid. Look how they screwed up this country from 1932-1994. In fact they were so stupid they wanted to give the country to the Soviet Union but Reagan stopped them.

 

[StraightAndNarrow]

This is nonsensical. Who exactly wanted to give the country to the Soviet Union? Was there a bill introduced in Congress or a national movement to do that. I wasn't aware of it.

 

[fromtheright]

So which was Mill? I'm sure he would've said neither. Though it stung, nice comeback, Daisy!

 

[Daisy]

Thanks - I just lucked into it.

I hesitated even posting it because of the respect I have for many of the fine Conservatives on this board. But I couldn't resist, given the provocation...

 

[fromtheright]

Besides, why turn down a great opportunity for fun? Had this been reversed, I would have jumped at it, myself with no disrespect intended.

 

[carpro]

Originally posted by fromtheright:
So which was Mill? I'm sure he would've said neither. Though it stung, nice comeback, Daisy!

No. He would have said he was a "progressive". He even believed in a representative democracy but only if the representavies were highly educated elitists. At least, that part of his thinking is still applicable to modern day liberals.

He just didn't know liberals would become the "there is nothing worth fighting for" type of political animal who depended on others to defend the freedoms they so enjoy.

 

[OldRegular]

Originally posted by StraightAndNarrow:
This is nonsensical. Who exactly wanted to give the country to the Soviet Union? Was there a bill introduced in Congress or a national movement to do that. I wasn't aware of it.

It was called unilateral disarmament!

 

[Daisy]

Originally posted by carpro:
He just didn't know liberals would become the "there is nothing worth fighting for" type of political animal who depended on others to defend the freedoms they so enjoy.

They haven't; that's just something you like to pretend to make you feel better about yourself.

 

[carpro]

Originally posted by Daisy:
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He just didn't know liberals would become the "there is nothing worth fighting for" type of political animal who depended on others to defend the freedoms they so enjoy.

They haven't; that's just something you like to pretend to make you feel better about yourself. </font>[/QUOTE]