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#2 Dispy v. CT

Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by Ed Edwards, Jan 11, 2005.

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  1. OldRegular

    OldRegular Well-Known Member

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    This is inaccurate and has been corrected before. Dispensationalism does not divide the body of Christ. There is only one body of Christ, the NT church. The OT nation of Israel is not the body of Christ ... never was ... never will be. Don't keep repeating this false charge.

    Yes, I am familiar with Hebrews since I am preaching through that, and in fact and finishing chapter 7 this week and going to chapter 8 next week. What is interesting about the book of Hebrews is that Hebrews never changes the parties of the NC. It is still the nation of Israel. In fact, an often overlooked fact is that in Hebrews 10, the party of hte NC that is not God is referred to as "them," not "you." That indicates that the author of Hebrews was not applying the NC wholesale to his readers. The NC was applicable to "them" not "you." The church participates in the blessings and provisions of hte NC; we are not a party to the NC per se.
    </font>[/QUOTE]You correctly state that there is only one body of Jesus Christ. The nation of Israel of the Old Testament is not a part of the body of Jesus Christ, only the true believers from Israel in the Old Testament are, only those who were circumcised in the heart [Romans 2:28, 29]. As the Southern Baptist Faith and Message states in Section VI: “The New Testament speaks also of the Church as the Body of Christ which includes all the redeemed of all the ages, believers from every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation.”
     
  2. OldRegular

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    Your definition of resurrection is incorrect. Resurrection means one who is dead is made alive never to die again.

    It is true that the Bible, both Old and New Testaments, records accounts of people being raised from the dead:

    1. The son of the widow of Zarephath restored to life by the prophet Elijah[1 Kings 17:22].

    2. The son of the Shunammite woman restored to life by the prophet Elisha[2 Kings 4:35].

    3. The dead man restored to life at the touch of Elisha’s bones [2 Kings 13:21].

    4. Jairus’ daughter restored to life by Jesus Christ [Matthew 9:25, Mark 5:22].

    5. The son of the widow of Nain restored to life by Jesus Christ [Luke 7:15].

    6. Lazarus of Bethany restored to life by Jesus Christ [John 11:44].

    7. The disciple Tabitha, or Dorcas, of Joppa [Acts 9:40] was restored to life by the Apostle Peter.

    8. The young man Eutychus [Acts 20:9-12] was restored to life by the Apostle Paul.

    Although Scripture is silent about the further lives of these people, they did not have a resurrection body like that of Jesus Christ and they all died again consistent with Paul’s statement to King Agrippa.

    Acts 26:22,23, KJV
    22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
    23 That Christ should suffer, [and] that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.
     
  3. Grasshopper

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    Why would the disciples ask about the end of the age after Jesus said the Temple would be destroyed? Could it be they understood, and rightfully so, that the end of the Jewish age would occur at the fall of the Temple?

    It has been said by dispies that the Church isn't mentioned in the OT therefore they could not be asking about the end of the Church age. It is quite clear that they were asking about the end of the Old Covenant/Mosaic Age.

    Mark makes it quite clear in his account:Mark

    13 :3Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked Him privately, 4"Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign when all these things will be fulfilled?"

    They are all to happen at the same time. The destruction of the Temple, His coming, and the end of the Age.
     
  4. Ed Edwards

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    Grasshopper: "Why would the disciples ask about the end
    of the age after Jesus said the Temple would be destroyed?

    God did not tell me the answer to your question.
    Perchance it is not a good question?

    Could it be they understood, and rightfully so,
    that the end of the Jewish age would occur
    at the fall of the Temple?

    Their understanding of the situation is not evident in
    the Scripture. The scripture itself probably expresses
    the understanding at the time of writing, some
    30 years after the Message Jesus preached.
    I have to understand their conversation some
    one thousand Nineenthundred and 30 years after
    the writing. Jesus'es knowledge of the situation
    trascends time.

    Your preterism does not dovetail with the history
    of the past 1970 years. Go read the Scripture to fit
    the world in which it exists. Note that Christians
    wrote the history.
     
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