Totally amazing the lengths a liberal will go to make a point(??)!
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2 Federal Judges Rule Against Trump’s Latest Travel Ban
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Totally amazing the lengths a liberal will go to make a point(??)!
The hadith teaches honor killing. The Quran teaches killing infidels. The Quran teaches lying in order to deceive. Does the Bible tell Christians to do the same?
The sham on this is that it was NOT a Muslim ban, and the presidenthas constitutional authority to do this!
<Muslims can physical abuse their wives by the Koran, and are commanded to kill those family who turn against Allah!
These are not judges! They are leftest radicals IMPOSING their personal BIAS on innocent American citizens in need of protection. These judges will be held accountable should a refugee decide to kill innocent Americans. It is time to recall these judges for inserting their personal bias and animus in there decisions.
Brent W
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They are not "judges" in the sense of issuing judgment without bias based upon adherence to the constitution.
Gregg Jarrett: Why the law is on Trump's side with his immigration ban
HankD
Like asking, Is a wolf in sheep's clothing a sheep or not?
These "judges" should be impeached for their biased based incompetence, perhaps disbarred for their lawless abuse of power.
Brent W
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You say this but all I can see is that your bias is also clouding your judgement. I have seen no one claim this that has any actual legal background. Just arm chair lawyers.
Can you please tell me what Judge Robart or any current Judge that has ruled did that was impeachable? Ruling against your beliefs is surprisingly not an impeachable offense.
It also stands to point out that the initial executive order was not even defended by the Department of Justice. If there was impeachable action at any point in the process that caused the DoJ to abandon the first executive order, then why did the DoJ abandon its defense of it and rewrite it?
As far as the current rulings go, I see no impeachable offenses. Only people who are clearly conservative upset that a Judge ruled against their beliefs.
This is/should be 5th grade understanding of the written authority of the President. One need no more be a lawyer to understand and recognize the abuse of power and bias than he must be an arborist to know a tree is growing and gotten bigger.
Fail at blind justice and neglect to uphold the law while abusing their power.
Rather ridiculous attempt at a strawman.
Your thought process neglects to note the consideration of the time gone by while waiting for a SCOTUS judgment on the matter. Which in fact, while waiting "merely" serves as an irresponsible and lawless action being used by the incompetent "judge" to temporarily delay the inevitable judgment against his ruling, as has been the case against so many other rulings coming out of the incompetent and biased 9th Circuit Court.
To attempt to speed up the process against the tactical delays of the left.
Of course "you" don't "see" it, but the fact that these Leftist Globalist "judges" have been getting away with making laws rather than interpreting them blindly has become common practice and is currently considered the norm has probably affected your thought process.
This habitual practice and acceptance will hopefully begin to change...Guess I'll have to address your strawman, - My position would be that I am upset that the law was not only not upheld but incompetently and biasedly abused for the purpose of delaying the "clearly" lawful action of the POTUS.
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Brent W
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And I don't think you need a law degree to understand that during all of this, the sense of urgency and need for a ban has not been shown by the President.
It is simple, show me the impeachable offense. Not even the rightest of wing congressman or senators are upset. I see more Republican elected officials refusing to back up Trump rather than actually spending time throwing out serious calls for impeachment of a sitting Federal Judge. Trump isn't even selling the American people on this. Too busy golfing and hanging out at his properties.
There is no sense of urgency by the Department of Justice or the White House. Time is not a factor for them at all.
There has been no sense of urgency by the White House or DoJ to get this passed. There has been no appeal to the American people telling us of impending threats from any of the citizens of these countries on the ban list.
They do not make laws.
If this were a clearly lawful action based on evidence of a National Security threat, the DoJ and the White House deserve to lose their jobs. There is no sense of urgency that this 90 day ban will protect the citizens of our country.
I also do not understand how anyone can call someone like Judge Robart a leftist globalist. That one really boggles the mind.
Again a simple 5th grade understanding of:
"(f) Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate."
...refutes your (and the Leftist Judge's) demands for the POTUS to "show a sense of urgency". - There goes most your reply...down the tubes of worthless uninformed propaganda.
If you can't "see" this I have to suggest you clean the mud of the right side of your glasses.
Brent W
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Again a simple 5th grade understanding of:
"(f) Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate."
...refutes your (and the Leftist Judge's) demands for the POTUS to "show a sense of urgency". - There goes most your reply...down the tubes of worthless uninformed propaganda.
If you can't "see" this I have to suggest you clean the mud of the right side of your glasses.
First off, Judge Robart is not a leftist Judge. He is a judge appointed by George W. Bush. I'll simply drop out of this conversation if petty cheap shots at a sitting Federal Judge who was appointed by one of the most conservative Presidents in recent history continues to be repeated.
Your repeated quoting of that relies on this part to be true: detrimental to the interests of the United States
However, not only has the President failed to convince not only a conservative Federal Judge that there is any threat to the interests of the United States, he has also not convinced the American people that there is a direct threat to our interests.
On top of that he has a history of repeated anti-muslim comments that can be lead to believe this is a direct attack on a Religion instead of an act that is in the interest of the United States safety.
A judge putting a restraining order on an executive order when you take all of this into consideration is a reasonable act. Calling it impeachable is an insult to a conservative appointed Judge who has, by the way, not applied his ruling to this new executive order ban.
So your repeated claim that this is a leftist agenda against a conservative President has no backing. A conservative Judge was the one who initially shot down the first executive order. Your repeated claims of a leftist agenda do more to show your bias in this situation than any Judge's bias.
You can't just leave off (neglect, turn a blind eye to,...) the other premise, which I purposely highlighted for this reason (as he shall deem necessary) and expect to be taken seriously that you have stand on a true conclusion in the matter.
“If you take part of the truth, and try to make that part of the truth, all of the truth, then that part of the truth becomes an untruth.” ~ Adrian Rogers
Until you stop repeating your failed argument, which is in line the Judge's, and acknowledge this simple clearly spelled out premise the rest of your smokesreen arguments does not deserve the attention you'd like in this conversion.
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Brent W
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as he shall deem necessary refers to the time of the ban, not a blanket free for all to make up imaginary threats to the interests of the United States.
I am interpreting what you are quoting correctly. The President has not only not convinced the American people of a threat against the interests of the United States but he has failed to convince a conservative judge of that with his first executive order. Therefore, since he has failed to show this to the American people and more than one Federal Judge, one of which is a conservative appointed Judge, the 90 day time frame he deemed necessary is being challenged.
You can't just mix and match what you are quoting to create something to fit your bias. It reads as described above; He must first have cause for damage to American interest and then, and only at the time, can he issue a time frame ban that he sees necessary based on the threat to our interest.
I see it this way, Federal Judges see it this way and the White House and DoJ have failed to convince the American people, largely, that any detrimental threat to the U.S. exists to our interests. In fact, the States are arguing that the executive order itself is of detrimental threat to their economic interests.
Even they are causing you to be confused. Flip a coin, heads: they're a judge! Tails: they're not a judge?!
Brent W
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I was never in doubt. They are very much Judges and very much not ruling because of some left wing bias. Especially in the case of Judge Robart.
Smart man! I just wish the fifty-percent of Ameroca whoare utter fools would see through their personal bias before they wake up to a new America they never thought possible.
Incorrect, it takes quite a twisted look at the words given for Presidential Authority in the matter to attempt to dispose of or relinquish that Authority over to a non-elected dictating out of control judge.
As per the plain and simple reading, the word "and" is meaning to include and this follows the clearly stated, "Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States..."
No, you are interpreting it through a liberal biased lense with an agenda to discount the long standing Authority given to the President, which has been upheld by the Congress and Constitution, in the attempt to hand over that Authority to a clearly politically biased judger, IMO.
Woah, there, informed people have long been aware of this real and dangerous threat and the President merely voices the opinions of the people and stands up for those people who elected him on these principles. Serious Trump convinced?! That's your belief??? Did you ever stop for a minute to think that that we have minds of own and Trump merely got behind the people to pull out this election?
One must seriously have their priorities messed up to believe this wannabe dictating "judge" should have the authority to override the President of the United States' Authority in this clearly spelled out constitutional matter.
You are merely begging the question that this non-elected judge (who does not speak for the American people, but for the losers in the last election) has the authority to second the President of the United States. It matters not WHO appointed him, that a mistake has been made in this matter is proof of nothing other than he should be impeached!
You may want to note the blatant hypocrisy in that statement...
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this, but I will tell you quite confidently that when this matter comes to the SCOTUS your opinion of who clearly and rightfully has the Authority in this will be set straight once and for all!
First, I have no idea why you would presume this Federal "judge" would have to see it and be convinced to not second the President's Authority. It defies common sense to allow these "judges" to dictate over the constitutional laws in this country.
Second, the American people ELECTED this President on the principles that this country was under threat and the President, for a change, is standing true to his promises to THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. How you come up with that he is has "failed to convince" is almost delusional thinking, and it can only be based on that the losers in the last election are the ones who have failed to be convinced and are trying to use and support "advocate judges" to rewrite the laws rather than enforce them.
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