2 Thessalonians 2:13…

[canadyjd]

The passage says God has chosen (us) from the beginning for salvation through sanctification of God Holy Spirit and faith in the truth.

There is a misunderstanding among some that believe this passage teaches we are chosen because of our faith in the truth. That is not what the passage teaches.

The passage says we are chosen from the beginning for salvation….. that is a separate thought.

The passage then elaborates on how the salvation occurs…

………not how the choosing occurs…….

The salvation occurs with the work of God Holy Spirit setting those already chosen apart (sanctification) which leads to faith in the truth.

This is consistent with the doctrines of grace that hold God choses from the foundation of the world (the beginning) and then works on that person (sanctification) by God Holy Spirit. We respond to God’s work in our lives with faith in Jesus (the Truth).

The passage supports the doctrines of grace.

Peace to you

 

[Charlie24]

The passage says God has chosen (us) from the beginning for salvation through sanctification of God Holy Spirit and faith in the truth.

There is a misunderstanding among some that believe this passage teaches we are chosen because of our faith in the truth. That is not what the passage teaches.

The passage says we are chosen from the beginning for salvation….. that is a separate thought.

The passage then elaborates on how the salvation occurs…

………not how the choosing occurs…….

The salvation occurs with the work of God Holy Spirit setting those already chosen apart (sanctification) which leads to faith in the truth.

This is consistent with the doctrines of grace that hold God choses from the foundation of the world (the beginning) and then works on that person (sanctification) by God Holy Spirit. We respond to God’s work in our lives with faith in Jesus (the Truth).

The passage supports the doctrines of grace.

Peace to you

Here again you are mistaken!

Here again Paul is speaking of our sanctification process through His redemption plan in which all who believe will follow.

From the very beginning God has chosen us (Paul is speaking to believers) to salvation THROUGH sanctification of the Spirit.

How many times do I have to repeat myself?

This is not who will be saved, but the plan we are assigned to be saved!

 

[Charlie24]

Here again you are mistaken!

Here again Paul is speaking of our sanctification process through His redemption plan in which all who believe will follow.

From the very beginning God has chosen us (Paul is speaking to believers) to salvation THROUGH sanctification of the Spirit.

How many times do I have to repeat myself?

This is not who will be saved, but the plan we are assigned to be saved!

@canadyjd

Let me explain something.

We are just as much saved in this life as we will ever be by grace through faith.

Paul tells us that after we believe we receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, that is the down-payment (as Paul put it) on our salvation until the resurrection.

God must save man spirit, soul and body for our total redemption. Our body goes to the ground when we die and raised without sin at the resurrection. That is when we are totally sanctified and fit for the Kingdom.

The sanctification process, conforming us to the image of Christ is a process by The Holy Spirit our entire live on this earth.

In 2 Thes. 2:13 that is what Paul is discussing, the Plan of God to be sanctified totally to complete our salvation.

 

[Charlie24]

@canadyjd

Let me explain something.

We are just as much saved in this life as we will ever be by grace through faith.

Paul tells us that after we believe we receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, that is the down-payment (as Paul put it) on our salvation until the resurrection.

God must save man spirit, soul and body for our total redemption. Our body goes to the ground when we die and raised without sin at the resurrection. That is when we are totally sanctified and fit for the Kingdom.

The sanctification process, conforming us to the image of Christ is a process by The Holy Spirit our entire live on this earth.

In 2 Thes. 2:13 that is what Paul is discussing, the Plan of God to be sanctified totally to complete our salvation.

Calvinism is bust, my friend! It was blown out of the water many centuries ago.

 

[canadyjd]

Here again you are mistaken!

Here again Paul is speaking of our sanctification process through His redemption plan in which all who believe will follow.

From the very beginning God has chosen us (Paul is speaking to believers) to salvation THROUGH sanctification of the Spirit.

How many times do I have to repeat myself?

This is not who will be saved, but the plan we are assigned to be saved!

You missing crucial elements in the passage.

I agree Paul is speaking to believers. That changes nothing about what is taught.

According to Paul, these believers were chosen from the beginning for salvation. That is a complete thought. The passage does not say, as you maintain, that God chose a plan from the beginning, correct? The passage says these believers were chosen from the beginning for salvation, correct?

When Paul says “though”, he is connecting what he just said about these individuals being chosen for salvation from the beginning, with what follows….

1. Sanctification of the Spirit
2. Faith in the Truth

Which explains “how” the salvation occurs, not “how” the choosing occurs.

The salvation occurs when we are set apart by God Holy Spirit (sanctification) which leads to faith in the truth.

Even if the passage is speaking of a “plan” for salvation, which it isn’t, but if it were, that still supports the doctrines of grace because it is God Holy Spirit setting people apart for salvation before they have faith in the truth, excluding all not sanctified for that purpose.

Peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

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The sanctification process, conforming us to the image of Christ is a process by The Holy Spirit our entire live on this earth.

In 2 Thes. 2:13 that is what Paul is discussing, the Plan of God to be sanctified totally to complete our salvation.

That may be true, but that is not what 2 Thessalonians 2 says. You reading into the passage what you want it to say.

I do appreciate you addressing the passage with honest discussion. We will just disagree.

Peace to you

 

[Charlie24]

You missing crucial elements in the passage.

I agree Paul is speaking to believers. That changes nothing about what is taught.

According to Paul, these believers were chosen from the beginning for salvation. That is a complete thought. The passage does not say, as you maintain, that God chose a plan from the beginning, correct? The passage says these believers were chosen from the beginning for salvation, correct?

When Paul says “though”, he is connecting what he just said about these individuals being chosen for salvation from the beginning, with what follows….

1. Sanctification of the Spirit
2. Faith in the Truth

Which explains “how” the salvation occurs, not “how” the choosing occurs.

The salvation occurs when we are set apart by God Holy Spirit (sanctification) which leads to faith in the truth.

Even if the passage is speaking of a “plan” for salvation, which it isn’t, but if it were, that still supports the doctrines of grace because it is God Holy Spirit setting people apart for salvation before they have faith in the truth, excluding all not sanctified for that purpose.

Peace to you

Brother, you can argue it any way you like, and that's fine with me.

Paul is plainly telling us in 2 Thess, Eph. 1 and Rom. 8 of God's plan of Redemption we have been predestined to for our salvation.

It has not one iota thing to do with who will be saved but entirely the process in which we will be saved!

 

[Charlie24]

That may be true, but that is not what 2 Thessalonians 2 says. You reading into the passage what you want it to say.

I do appreciate you addressing the passage with honest discussion. We will just disagree.

Peace to you

Set aside your Calvinist mind for a moment and read it the way I have presented it.

There should be a light bulb effect taking place. Once I was blind but now I see, something like that!

 

[canadyjd]

Calvinism is bust, my friend! It was blown out of the water many centuries ago.

I certainly have never heard the doctrines of grace were “blown out of the water” many centuries ago. Perhaps you could enlighten me about when that happened and who did the blowing?

I do know what scripture very clearly teaches about the doctrines of grace and I will always believe scripture even if the whole world screams into heaven with one voice “the doctrines of grace are false!!!!”

I’ll follow scripture, not the world.

Peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

Brother, you can argue it any way you like, and that's fine with me.

Paul is plainly telling us in 2 Thess, Eph. 1 and Rom. 8 of God's plan of Redemption we have been predestined to for our salvation.

It has not one iota thing to do with who will be saved but entirely the process in which we will be saved!

Paul is teaching the individuals are predestined, not that the “plan” was predestined.

Peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

Set aside your Calvinist mind for a moment and read it the way I have presented it.

There should be a light bulb effect taking place. Once I was blind but now I see, something like that!

I will always read it the way Paul intended it to be read, in the context in which it was written.

I am always open to being convinced by scripture.

I understood the doctrines of grace long before I ever heard of John Calvin or Calvinism, so I reject your attempted slur and urge you to keep the conversation civil.

Peace to you

 

[Charlie24]

Paul is teaching the individuals are predestined, not that the “plan” was predestined.

Peace to you

Salvation is a sanctity that takes place between God and the individual as if you are the only one.

 

[Charlie24]

I will always read it the way Paul intended it to be read, in the context in which it was written.

I am always open to being convinced by scripture.

I understood the doctrines of grace long before I ever heard of John Calvin or Calvinism, so I reject your attempted slur and urge you to keep the conversation civil.

Peace to you

Assassinate the messenger I suppose.

 

[canadyjd]

Salvation is a sanctity that takes place between God and the individual as if you are the only one.

You are misunderstanding the word “sanctify”. It literally means to be set apart.

In the context of 2 Thessalonians 2:13, Paul is explaining how the salvation occurs, not how the choosing occurs.

We are sanctified (set apart) by God Holy Spirit which leads to faith in the truth.

Peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

Assassinate the messenger I suppose.

You claimed “Calvinism” had been blown out of the water centuries ago. I asked you when that happened and who did the blowing.

You asked me to read the 2 Thessalonians 2:13 passage the way you understand it.

I cannot do that, because that is not what the passage says. I am obligated to read it in the context in which it was written, not putting any sort of bias or spin on the passage.

Peace to you

 

[Charlie24]

You are misunderstanding the word “sanctify”. It literally means to be set apart.

In the context of 2 Thessalonians 2:13, Paul is explaining how the salvation occurs, not how the choosing occurs.

We are sanctified (set apart) by God Holy Spirit which leads to faith in the truth.

Peace to you

The definition of sanctity that I used in that statement is "something that is holy"

It depends on what you are conveying as the meaning of and English word.

 

[Charlie24]

You claimed “Calvinism” had been blown out of the water centuries ago. I asked you when that happened and who did the blowing.

You asked me to read the 2 Thessalonians 2:13 passage the way you understand it.

I cannot do that, because that is not what the passage says. I am obligated to read it in the context in which it was written, not putting any sort of bias or spin on the passage.

Peace to you

Sounds like a problem you'll have to work out with God.

 

[canadyjd]

The definition of sanctity that I used in that statement is "something that is holy"

It depends on what you are conveying as the meaning of and English word.

The Greek word “sanctify” means “set apart.” The word “holy” also means set apart.

You are using it as “purify”, which is not the context of 2 Thessalonians 2:13.

Peace to you

 

[Charlie24]

The Greek word “sanctify” means “set apart.” The word “holy” also means set apart.

You are using it as “purify”, which is not the context of 2 Thessalonians 2:13.

Peace to you

What does "the sanctity of the home" mean?

That is the idea behind my statement.

Please just stop this childishness!

 

[canadyjd]

Sounds like a problem you'll have to work out with God.

God didn’t make the statements, you did.

I don’t have a problem understanding the passage.

You have decided to be snarky instead of engaging in a thoughtful discussion.

Therefore, you should simply disengage from this thread and only post where others with like minds will pat you on the back and tell you how smart you are because you all agree.

God forbid anyone actually challenges you to engage your brain to understand a passage of scripture instead of regurgitating secular philosophy.

Have a great day

Peace to you