canadyjd
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It depends on the context in which it was written, like every other passage.
Sorry you can’t comprehend that, buts that’s a problem you have to come to terms with on your own.
Peace to you
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2 Thessalonians 2:13…
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Sorry you can’t comprehend that, buts that’s a problem you have to come to terms with on your own.
Peace to you
I've learned through the years it has to be in and out quickly, striking the target and getting out with the Calvinist friends.
Then relax, you've accomplished your mission.
You do understand there are 3 phases of sanctification"
The moment you are born-again-- that is positional sanctification, your position "in Christ."
From that point the rest of your physical life on this earth you are being conformed in the image of Christ -- that is your progressive sanctification.
At the resurrection your new sinless body is given-- that is your completed sanctification, you are like Christ.
canadyjd
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No, if I had accomplished my “mission” you would look at the passage with an open mind and attempt to understand it in the context in which it was written.
Peace to you
I've had conversations with you before, it's impossible.
That's why I want out after I make my points.
There's no explaining anything to you, and then I have to explain things you should already know.
Call it rude or whatever you like, I don't want to have further conversation with you!
canadyjd
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Ok, I do understand what you are saying, but the context of 2 Thessalonians 2:13 does not support the idea of a sanctification “plan” being spoken of.
Peace to you
canadyjd
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And yet you are still posting toward me?
And yes, you are being rude and arrogant and condescending, but those are issues you need to take up with God.
Peace to you
And yet you are still posting toward me?
And yes, you are being rude and arrogant and condescending, but those are issues you need to take up with God.
Peace to you
It's been cold and rainy here for the past 2 days.
Sharp bone-chilling wind with drizzle, a damp cold.
I has some things to do but decided sitting by the fire and a pot of coffee was in order.
37818
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I think you are mistaken.
Romans 1:16, ". . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . ."
canadyjd
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Well, I would never get between a man and hot coffee. Sounds quite nice.
Peace to you
canadyjd
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That is part of the explanation Paul gives in 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 of how salvation occurs.
We are chosen from the beginning for salvation. Then, God Holy Spirit sets us apart which leads to faith in the truth which is a reference to the gospel of Jesus Christ.
So, no, I’m not mistaken but thanks for the comments
Peace to you
Same situation only now my sister brought me my second favorite, egg nog.
It's a hard life, but I'm enduring.
canadyjd
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Oh sweet!! Fireplace, eggnog, hot coffee!!! Music! You must be listening to some Barry Manilow!
Add donuts and a Cagney movie the that.
37818
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Do you understand from is any time after?
My, what an overactive imagination you have!
canadyjd
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No, “from” does not mean anytime after the beginning. It means… when there was a beginning… that is when we were chosen for salvation.
Peace to you
Yea, for the Calvinist I see where he would think that's a bold statement.
I know you don't claim to be a Calvinist, K but you do claim the 5 pts. of Calvinism.
You look at 2 Thes. 2:13 and see God appointing/selecting man for salvation, but that's not what Paul said, and neither did he say that in Eph. 1 or Rom. 8.
He said that God has from the beginning chosen you to salvation THROUGH sanctification of the Spirit.
He chose us to be saved through the plan of sanctification, this is His plan of how he will be saved.
God in His great foreknowledge knew what Adam would do with the free will given him, He knew that with free will the lust of a man will rise to the occasion of sin. But God doesn't want a type of robot to love and serve Him, He wants man to love and serve Him of his own free will.
Before He created Adam and knowing what would happen, He formed His plan of redemption for man who would believe Him of their own free will. This plan included a reconciliation of the broken relationship between Him and man through disobeying Him. Adam, by disobeying God has fallen from an innocent standing with God to a fallen state of sinfulness, spiritually separated from Him. The Law of Sin and Death must be upheld by God or He is a liar.
Man sinned against God and man must make the reconciliation, but all men are sinners and can make no reconciliation, we are doomed by the Law of God from the foundation of the world.
We all know how God sent a man, and He had to be a man, to intervene for man to save us from sure destruction, the wrath of a Holy God on sin.
So we have a completely different understanding of what Paul is teaching in his letters. You and I go in separate directions of the instructions of Paul based our differences in our understanding of Eph. 1, Rom. 8, 2 Thes. 2, etc.
37818
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We disagree. ἀπό, from.