2 Tim 2:15

[Salamander]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]English[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Spanish"[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]I love you[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Te amo.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]I really love the way you speak
I really love the Spanish people[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Me encanta como hablas
Me encantan los españoles[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]It was love at first sight[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]fue amor a primera vista[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]one good turn deserves another[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]amor con amor se paga[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]love potion[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]filtro de amor[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]To fall in love with someone.
I fell madly in love with him[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]enamorarse de alguien
me enamoré ciegamente de él [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]a lover[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]un amante[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]lovesick[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]enfermo de amor[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]love life[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]vida amorosa[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]unrequited love[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]amor no correspondido[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]he falls in love very easily[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]es muy enamoradizo[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Saint Valentine’s Day[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]el día de los enamorados[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]infatuation
it was just a passing infatuation [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]enamoramiento
no fue más que un enamoramiento pasajero [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]cupboard love[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]cariño interesado[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1](dale) recuerdos a tus padres (de mi parte)[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]give my love to your parents[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]puppy love [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]amor adolescente[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Note: At the end of a letter we often put "love" in English. This is how to do it in Spanish.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]love John [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]un abrazo, John[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]lots of love, John [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]un apretado abrazo, John;[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]all my love, John [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]con todo mi cariño, John"[/SIZE][/FONT]


For you Argentines and the "cracked up", is this an accepted rendering of English and Spansih concerning "love"?

 

[Salamander]

As a former missionary to Mexico and one that still speaks Spanish in my ministry on a daily basis, I concur. That is typical KJVO extremism applied to a language most KJVO have no knowledge of.

Your conjecture is typical hogwash.

There is no "KJVO" extremism as you'd like to say, but only the stand that the word "study" is correct where the simple "be diligent" is lacking to express what the passage says.

If holding to a full meaning on any passage is extreme, well, I'm EXTREME!:godisgood:

 

[Salamander]

Because the KJVOs are constantly looking for something...ANYTHING...to attempt to rescue their doctrine from absurdity, to give themselves reasons for going on believing it.

In the KJV, we see the word 'study' three times, twice in the New Testament. its first appearance in the NT is in 1 Thess. 4:11; "that ye STUDY to be quiet". Clearly, the meaning here is 'strive', as the Greek here, "philotimeomai", means 'to strive, make it one's ambition'. Given the English definition of "spoudazo", we must conclude 'study' also means "strive", etc. in 2 Tim. 2:15.

Newer versions read "make it your ambition" or "aspire" in 1 Thess.4:11, but we don't see the KJVOs complaining about THAT one! Just goesta show the KJVOs are consistently inconsistent.

As I said, the whole 2 Tim. 2:15 thingie is just another meaningless KJVO sideshow.

I have an ambition that requires diligent study that I expect to aspire to reach that goal of the prize of the high mark of the calling of God.

Your conjecture is hogwash, again.

 

[Salamander]

No problem.

Amore is Italian if I am not mistaken. I can´t answer that since I don´t really know Italian.

Then it seems that "amor" has more an emotional meaning rather than a divine type of love and pity.

 

[4His_glory]

Then it seems that "amor" has more an emotional meaning rather than a divine type of love and pity.

Based on what? Amor can have different meanings just like our english word "love" has different meanings. Context is the key.

 

[franklinmonroe]

I rather believe that his knowledge from study of the word of God then available is foremost in what his diligence should be,...

You have perfectly illustrated the common misinterpretation of this verse. You have now synonomously substituted 'word of God' for "word of truth", and you imply that by 'word of God' you mean written scriptures (ie. the 'Bible'). Of course, the exact phrase "word of God" never exclusively refers to written scripture in the New Testament (one must extrapolate other constructions to derive 'word of God' as a term for written scripture). But "the word of truth" is certainly not any specific written scripture. The exact phrase "word of truth" is found just 3 other times in the KJV New Testament. It is apparent that the "word of truth" is the Gospel message (Colossians 1:3-6, KJV) --

We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,
Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love [which ye have] to all the saints,
For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
Which is come unto you, as [it is] in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as [it doth] also in you, since the day ye heard [of it], and knew the grace of God in truth:​

A believer today could accurately give "the word of truth" without quoting a single verse of scripture. James 1:17,18 (KJV) --

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.​

Matthew Henry states here that (his italics, my bold) --

(3.) The means whereby this is affected are pointed out: the word of truth, that is, the gospel, as Paul expresses it more plainly, 1 Co. 4:15, I have begotten you in Jesus Christ through the gospel. This gospel is indeed a word of truth, or else it could never produce such real, such lasting, such great and noble effects. We may rely upon it, and venture our immortal souls upon it. And we shall find it a means of our sanctification as it is a word of truth, Jn. 17:17.​

Being approved as God's ministers "by the word of truth" is NOT the foremost thing in Paul's list, but rather seventh (2 Corinthians 6:4-7, KJV) --

But in all [things] approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;
By pureness,
by knowledge,
by longsuffering,
by kindness,
by the Holy Ghost,
by love unfeigned,
By the word of truth,
by the power of God,
by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,​

... else paul was speaking as only a man without Timothy having references to compare with what he said...

Paul could speak with apostolic authority, just as he was enabled by the Holy Spirit to write with authority.

 

[Salamander]

Based on what? Amor can have different meanings just like our english word "love" has different meanings. Context is the key.

Duh, really?

 

[Salamander]

You have perfectly illustrated the common misinterpretation of this verse. You have now synonomously substituted 'word of God' for "word of truth", and you imply that by 'word of God' you mean written scriptures (ie. the 'Bible'). Of course, the exact phrase "word of God" never exclusively refers to written scripture in the New Testament (one must extrapolate other constructions to derive 'word of God' as a term for written scripture). But "the word of truth" is certainly not any specific written scripture. The exact phrase "word of truth" is found just 3 other times in the KJV New Testament. It is apparent that the "word of truth" is the Gospel message (Colossians 1:3-6, KJV) --

Convolutions

We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,
Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love [which ye have] to all the saints,
For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
Which is come unto you, as [it is] in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as [it doth] also in you, since the day ye heard [of it], and knew the grace of God in truth:
​

A believer today could accurately give "the word of truth" without quoting a single verse of scripture. James 1:17,18 (KJV) --

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
​

Matthew Henry states here that (his italics, my bold) --

(3.) The means whereby this is affected are pointed out: the word of truth, that is, the gospel, as Paul expresses it more plainly, 1 Co. 4:15, I have begotten you in Jesus Christ through the gospel. This gospel is indeed a word of truth, or else it could never produce such real, such lasting, such great and noble effects. We may rely upon it, and venture our immortal souls upon it. And we shall find it a means of our sanctification as it is a word of truth, Jn. 17:17.​

Being approved as God's ministers "by the word of truth" is NOT the foremost thing in Paul's list, but rather seventh (2 Corinthians 6:4-7, KJV) --

But in all [things] approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;
By pureness,
by knowledge,
by longsuffering,
by kindness,
by the Holy Ghost,
by love unfeigned,
By the word of truth,
by the power of God,
by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
​

Paul could speak with apostolic authority, just as he was enabled by the Holy Spirit to write with authority.[/quote]

 

[Rippon]

There is no "KJVO" extremism as you'd like to say,

Funny , I think your stance exemplifies it .

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Alrighty - I think we are going around the same circles and and a downward spiral is beginning.