#2 Which KJV is your authority?

[natters]

KJVBibleThumper said "I believe that an almighty and powerful God can(and did) preserve His Word and I hold it in my hand today."

Do you believe that an almighty and powerful God can(and did) preserve His Word and others could hold it in their hand in 1610?

KJVBibleThumper said "I cannot get ONE non-KJVO person to tell me what their final authority is."

That is not true, I saw many people responsd. You just don't like the answer. BTW, I answered on page 3 of the old thread, and on page 4 you said you'd respond to it later. Just reminding you.

 

[KJVBibleThumper]

Originally posted by natters:
KJVBibleThumper said "Im afraid I dont have a original 1611 with original spelling. My Bible is with modern spelling(once again,note modern spelling not modern words.) Please post the differences."

Here are some differences, but not all:
http://www.bible-researcher.com/canon10.html

I recommend getting a 1611 reprint. Very eye-opening. Here's a list of places you can get one, some places as low as $20:
http://tinyurl.com/4cssg

Thanks for the link.

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[ August 20, 2004, 01:25 AM: Message edited by: C4K ]

 

[KJVBibleThumper]

Originally posted by natters:
KJVBibleThumper said "I believe that an almighty and powerful God can(and did) preserve His Word and I hold it in my hand today."

Do you believe that an almighty and powerful God can(and did) preserve His Word and others could hold it in their hand in 1610?

KJVBibleThumper said "I cannot get ONE non-KJVO person to tell me what their final authority is."

That is not true, I saw many people responsd. You just don't like the answer. BTW, I answered on page 3 of the old thread, and on page 4 you said you'd respond to it later. Just reminding you.

First of all you didnt answer the whole post.Second of all they didnt say HOW He speaks to them. And third of all I have quite a bit on my plate to answer in addition to my responsabilitys at home,but im making a list and ill get to your post as fast as I can. I also need to answer DeclareHim's post as well as about 200 other posts.

 

[natters]

In the time it took to tell me you don't have much time, you could have answered the question "Do you believe that an almighty and powerful God can(and did) preserve His Word and others could hold it in their hand in 1610?"

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by KJVBibleThumper:

You anti-KJV peoples final authority is yourselves and your opinion.

As I said in another place, I accept the teachings of the KJV as my final authority and therefore I totally reject KJVOnlyism. The KJV teaches and/or affirms what I believe about the Bible both by word and principle. It does not in any passage from "In" to "End" teach anything remotely resembling what you believe.

Nowhere does the KJV say anything about the KJV being perfect in wording or an object of direct divine inspiration.

Psalm 12 no matter how you interpret it says nothing about the KJV. NOTHING.

It is you that accepts his own opinion as your final authority on Bible versions. If you want to disprove me then show your scripture.

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by KJVBibleThumper:
Why is it that very few christians today go out doorknocking and streetpreaching?

Some people do. I have knocked on doors. However, these are not biblically commanded methods... and they don't work in every place at every time.

Our churches today are going cold,teaching a variety of doctrines from a variety of bibles.

The variety of doctrines is not a necessary result of a variety of Bibles. There are a variety of doctrines taught by KJVO churches and sects... such as the Branch Davidians, Mormons, and several extreme Pentacostal groups.

The sound theologians of our day who continue to preach and teach the fundamental doctrines of scripture are all non-KJVO.

If you dont agree with what one bible says then switch to another one that says what you want it to say.

Or you can take the KJVO approach and if you don't agree with what the KJV says then read between the lines, ie. apply Psalm 12 to the KJV.

When you answer this please tell me why christians and our churches arent on fire for the Lord like they used to be.

Some are.... and most of those are not KJVO.

But the greatest outbreak of the Gospel seems to be in places of persecution like China... where most of the Bibles come from the critical texts.

America is failing because we have become confident in our riches. One verse that has been on my mind lately ends "there is no fear of God before their eyes." Its in Romans 3.

That's where the American church is and that's where the nation is but worst of all, that's where most individual believers are. We look so much like rebellious, pre-captivity Judah it frightens me to think of the wrath God might bring... not because of the unsaved but because of the saved. BTW, hyper-legalistic, pharisitical KJVOs are part of the problem, not the solution.

 

[KJVBibleThumper]

Originally posted by Scott J:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by KJVBibleThumper:
Why is it that very few christians today go out doorknocking and streetpreaching?

Some people do. I have knocked on doors. However, these are not biblically commanded methods... and they don't work in every place at every time.(Then what do you do?)

Our churches today are going cold,teaching a variety of doctrines from a variety of bibles.

The variety of doctrines is not a necessary result of a variety of Bibles. There are a variety of doctrines taught by KJVO churches and sects... such as the Branch Davidians, Mormons, and several extreme Pentacostal groups.

(I am none of those mentioned,and if you have differing bibles in your church then you are going to have differing doctrines.)

The sound theologians of our day who continue to preach and teach the fundamental doctrines of scripture are all non-KJVO.

If you dont agree with what one bible says then switch to another one that says what you want it to say.

Or you can take the KJVO approach and if you don't agree with what the KJV says then read between the lines, ie. apply Psalm 12 to the KJV.

(Soo...you are admitting that if you dont like what one bible says then switch to another? And what bible does Psalm 12 apply to? Never mind if im right or wrong what bible does it apply to?)

When you answer this please tell me why christians and our churches arent on fire for the Lord like they used to be.

Some are.... and most of those are not KJVO.

(Just what defines if a church is on fire for the Lord according to you?)

But the greatest outbreak of the Gospel seems to be in places of persecution like China... where most of the Bibles come from the critical texts.

(You are right about the persecution saving people.And I never said you couldnt get saved from a different bible,but I do know several missionaries over in China who are waiting anxiously for the KJV to be translated because of the differences in the main version they are using over there.)

America is failing because we have become confident in our riches. One verse that has been on my mind lately ends "there is no fear of God before their eyes." Its in Romans 3.

(Exactly,not mention few christians who are willing to go out and doorknock and streetpreach.)

That's where the American church is and that's where the nation is but worst of all, that's where most individual believers are. We look so much like rebellious, pre-captivity Judah it frightens me to think of the wrath God might bring... not because of the unsaved but because of the saved. BTW, hyper-legalistic, pharisitical KJVOs are part of the problem, not the solution. </font>[/QUOTE](You are right about the resemblence to Judah. About the KJVOs being pharisites I suggest you look at your own side before you go off on irrelevent tangents.)

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by KJVBibleThumper:
You are right about the resemblence to Judah. About the KJVOs being pharisites I suggest you look at your own side before you go off on irrelevent tangents.)

I have. I used to be KJVO and looked honestly at both sides. The Pharisees taught an extra-biblical legalism based on the "letter of the law" and traditions of men. KJVO's demand that we don't have the Word of God unless we accept one version only as the "letter". KJVO's also dogmatically and divisively follow a tradition of men found nowhere in scripture.

When someone without any reason or rational proof calls a faithful version of God's Word a "perversion" or "work of Satan" then there is no fear of God before that person's eyes. Evidence: Millions are being saved and sanctified using only MV's.

 

[KJVBibleThumper]

Originally posted by Scott J:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by KJVBibleThumper:
You are right about the resemblence to Judah. About the KJVOs being pharisites I suggest you look at your own side before you go off on irrelevent tangents.)

I have. I used to be KJVO and looked honestly at both sides. The Pharisees taught an extra-biblical legalism based on the "letter of the law" and traditions of men. KJVO's demand that we don't have the Word of God unless we accept one version only as the "letter". KJVO's also dogmatically and divisively follow a tradition of men found nowhere in scripture.

When someone without any reason or rational proof calls a faithful version of God's Word a "perversion" or "work of Satan" then there is no fear of God before that person's eyes. Evidence: Millions are being saved and sanctified using only MV's. </font>[/QUOTE]If millions are being save then why isnt there a revival going on right now in America and around the world?
And before I attack the Alexandrian texts that the MVs derive from what is your opinion of them?

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Originally posted by KJVBibleThumper:


When you answer this please tell me why christians and our churches arent on fire for the Lord like they used to be.

Maybe because many are fighting off false doctrines like secondary preservation, or reinspiration.

These false doctrines divide the church, and a divided church will not be effective.

 

[KJVBibleThumper]

Originally posted by C4K:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by KJVBibleThumper:


When you answer this please tell me why christians and our churches arent on fire for the Lord like they used to be.

Maybe because many are fighting off false doctrines like secondary preservation, or reinspiration.

These false doctrines divide the church, and a divided church will not be effective. </font>[/QUOTE]The new bibles are the main problem,they make confusion,nothing else.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Would you like to offer some Biblical evidence for your contention?

It is only the KJVO circle which will divide over a version.

I can give you plenty that say a divisive spirit is a major problem

BTW, KJVBT - which KJV Bible do you thump?

 

[natters]

And why do you thump it? I never understood why someone would thump a Bible.

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by KJVBibleThumper:
If millions are being save then why isnt there a revival going on right now in America and around the world?

A recent study revealed that there are more self-professed, born again Christians today than in 1900 both in raw numbers as well as by percentage.

I have seen estimates that over 80 million Christians are now serving the Lord in China under severe persecution and that as many as 2,000 are being saved per day through personal witnesses and house churches. That qualifies as one of the greatest outbreaks of the gospel in the history of the church.

At that pace or the increased pace that is probable, there will be more born again Christians in China than in America within the next 20 years. God is doing this without our help and without the KJV and with Bibles translated from the critical texts which favor the Alexandrian text type.

And before I attack the Alexandrian texts that the MVs derive from what is your opinion of them?

I believe that the Alexandrian texts are valuable witnesses to the text of the original. I tend toward the Majority Text as opposed to the TR or Alexandrian but they are all representatives of the Word of God. Therefore it is ungodly blasphemy to "attack" any of them.

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by KJVBibleThumper:
The new bibles are the main problem,they make confusion,nothing else.

No brother. As I have shown you, the "new Bibles" make Christians and disciples of our Lord. Please don't be guilty of calling something evil that God calls good. He says there is rejoicing in heaven when someone is saved... and millions are being saved with the use of MV's and Bibles translated from texts using the Alexandrian text type.

 

[Ed Edwards]

With a world population of 6,243,000,000 and
a birth rate of 21 per 1,000 - there are
131 Million birthis in the world per year.
That is 359,000 births each day, year round.
Right now about 1/3 of all humanity are Christians.
124,000 persons must be saved each day
for we Christians JUST TO STAY EVEN.

KJVBibleThumper: "If millions are being saved then why
isn't there a revival going on right now in America
and around the world?

There could be one going on.
There is a lot you don't know about.

But there must be 124,000 conversions every day
in this world for Christians just to stay even.
Salvations beyond that make for a "revival".
Again, we are not privy to what goes on in most
countries. Churchs which do no interact with other
churches especially don't know what is going on.

Almanac of the Christian WOrld 1991-1992:

page 704 - More Muslims in Iran have come to Christ
since 1980 (1980-1989)
than in the previous 1000 combined (980-1980)

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by Scott J:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by KJVBibleThumper:
The new bibles are the main problem,they make confusion,nothing else.

No brother. As I have shown you, the "new Bibles" make Christians and disciples of our Lord. Please don't be guilty of calling something evil that God calls good. He says there is rejoicing in heaven when someone is saved... and millions are being saved with the use of MV's and Bibles translated from texts using the Alexandrian text type. </font>[/QUOTE]Amen, Brother Scott J -- Preach it!

 

[Ed Edwards]

KJVBibleThumper: "And before I attack the Alexandrian texts
that the MVs derive from what is your opinion of them?"

The Alexandrian texts are the Bible.
You do well not to attack the Bible.

The opinions you express about Jesus and/or the written
word of God should be long on study and short on words.

 

[StefanM]

Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
The opinions you express about Jesus and/or the written
word of God should be long on study and short on words.

Unless, of course, one were uttering praises about Jesus. In that case, feel free to be long on words.

 

[KJVBibleThumper]

Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
KJVBibleThumper: "And before I attack the Alexandrian texts
that the MVs derive from what is your opinion of them?"

The Alexandrian texts are the Bible.
You do well not to attack the Bible.

The opinions you express about Jesus and/or the written
word of God should be long on study and short on words.

I do not believe that the alexandrian texts are the Bible and I am studying for a critique of them, but there is so much more info then I thought that it is taking a while.