3.5 year tribulation NOT 7 YEARS???

[Binyamin7]

Daniel 9:27 is the only text used for a 7year tribulation and Matthew Henry and Barnes commentaries both think we are interpreting that wrong.

3.5 years in listed 8 times.

Other interpretation is that Messiah created a covenant with many, Gentiles and not just Jews- for a week. 3.5 years He ends sacrifice and offering because of His sacrifice on the cross. Then there is 3.5 years left lingering that will be the final end.

That theory has Daniel 9:27a as Messiah and Daniel 9:27b as Antichrist.

Have we been bamboozled?

 

[Dave G]

Have we been bamboozled?

Yes.

The tribulation period is only, and has only ever been prophesied to be, 3.5 years ( forty and two months, Revelation 13:5 ).
In the midst of the "week" ( 7 years ), this will happen:

" And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." ( Daniel 9:27 ).

The man above is the "beast" of Revelation, and is also known as Anti-Christ.

The timing of the events is found in Matthew 24 and Mark 13.
Immediately following the abomination of desolation, in the midst of the "week", the tribulation begins and lasts for 42 months / 12 = 3.5 years.
Messiah comes at the end and has the beast and the false prophet cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone ( Revelation 19:19-21 ).


May God bless you richly in your studies of His precious word.

 

[Sai]

Yes.

The tribulation period is only, and has only ever been prophesied to be, 3.5 years ( forty and two months, Revelation 13:5 ).
In the midst of the "week" ( 7 years ), this will happen:

" And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." ( Daniel 9:27 ).

The man above is the "beast" of Revelation, and is also known as Anti-Christ.

The timing of the events is found in Matthew 24 and Mark 13.
Immediately following the abomination of desolation, in the midst of the "week", the tribulation begins and lasts for 42 months / 12 = 3.5 years.
Messiah comes at the end and has the beast and the false prophet cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone ( Revelation 19:19-21 ).


May God bless you richly in your studies of His precious word.

Not according to the prophets. It is called the Day of the Lord and the Time of Jacob’s Trouble among others. Unless you compile every passage concerning the D O T L, you aren’t producing a biblical eschatological observation of the Tribulation.

 

[Binyamin7]

Yes.

The tribulation period is only, and has only ever been prophesied to be, 3.5 years ( forty and two months, Revelation 13:5 ).
In the midst of the "week" ( 7 years ), this will happen:

" And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." ( Daniel 9:27 ).

The man above is the "beast" of Revelation, and is also known as Anti-Christ.

The timing of the events is found in Matthew 24 and Mark 13.
Immediately following the abomination of desolation, in the midst of the "week", the tribulation begins and lasts for 42 months / 12 = 3.5 years.
Messiah comes at the end and has the beast and the false prophet cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone ( Revelation 19:19-21 ).


May God bless you richly in your studies of His precious word.

Except most commentaries and scholars for 2000 years believed Daniel 9:27a was about the Messiah making a covenant with "many" (Gentiles not just Jews) and putting an end to sacrifice and offering because He is the ultimate sacrifice (Heb 10:4,10).

We hang everything on one verse that has a completely sensible alternate understanding that has been orthodoxy for 2,000 years.

Why didn't Daniel or Revelation ever mention 7 years again? Yet 3.5 is mentioned 8 times.

There is probably not a magical 3.5 year calm period for everyone to get their act together.

 

[Dave G]

Except most commentaries and scholars for 2000 years believed Daniel 9:27a was about the Messiah making a covenant with "many" (Gentiles not just Jews) and putting an end to sacrifice and offering because He is the ultimate sacrifice (Heb 10:4,10).

I'm sorry, but I don't pay any attention to commentaries and scholars.

I simply read God's word and comment about it where I feel that something needs to be said.

 

[Dave G]

We hang everything on one verse that has a completely sensible alternate understanding that has been orthodoxy for 2,000 years.

What I've noticed about the concept of "orthodoxy" is basically this:

Whatever the commonly-accepted belief about a Biblical subject is, most professing believers tend to simply go along with;
Without really digging into God's word for themselves to see if it's true.
So, if there is a commonly-held error, then that error continues to propagate itself down through the centuries... despite Scriptures that teach to the contrary.

Whether that error is "soteriological" ( dealing with how and why God saves someone ),
"Eschatological" ( dealing with the prophecies of the end times ),
"Ecclesialogical" ( dealing with how the local church is internally organized ),
Or any other facet of the faith, I've noticed that the most common teachings ( whether in error or not ) are held by the greatest number of professing Christians.

For example:
Most local churches, no matter what "denomination", tend to organize themselves with pews facing forward to an upraised dias, with an "altar", etc. and the "audience" takes their cues from whoever is above them at the front.
This is not how the Bible describes the local assembly, a group of equals in Christ who have humble elders that are not looking for recognition from men, but from God alone.

 

[Dave G]

Why didn't Daniel or Revelation ever mention 7 years again?

I see that Daniel 9:24-27 gives us the definition of "week" ( 7 days ).

Do the math ( which I think I may be correct on )...
Daniel 9:25-26 states that from the going forth of the commandment to rebuild the temple until Messiah comes, is 7 + three score ( 3 x 20 ) and 2 = 62 + 7 "weeks".
Taking 69 "weeks" and multiplying by 7 years, we come to the number 483.

That's how many years ( not days ) that passed between Ezra and Nehemiah's building of the first Temple and Christ's first coming and being "cut off" ( crucified ).

Yet 3.5 is mentioned 8 times.

I agree.

There is probably not a magical 3.5 year calm period for everyone to get their act together.

To me, the coming Tribulation's purpose was never about everyone "getting their act together" and the Lord giving all men a chance to repent and seek Him, like most scholars seem to think...
It is about God's prophetic timing and the events that will and must take place directly before His Son's coming again, gathering His sheep unto Him, and ruling for 1,000 years from the throne of His earthly father, David.


Watch and be sober, my friend.
The time is short, the days are beginning to look very bad.

That means that He is very near.

 

[Sai]

I see that Daniel 9:24-27 gives us the definition of "week" ( 7 days ).

Do the math ( which I think I may be correct on )...
Daniel 9:25-26 states that from the going forth of the commandment to rebuild the temple until Messiah comes, is 7 + three score ( 3 x 20 ) and 2 = 62 + 7 "weeks".
Taking 69 "weeks" and multiplying by 7 years, we come to the number 483.

That's how many years ( not days ) that passed between Ezra and Nehemiah's building of the first Temple and Christ's first coming and being "cut off" ( crucified ).

I agree.

To me, the coming Tribulation's purpose was never about everyone "getting their act together" and the Lord giving all men a chance to repent and seek Him, like most scholars seem to think...
It is about God's prophetic timing and the events that will and must take place directly before His Son's coming again, gathering His sheep unto Him, and ruling for 1,000 years from the throne of His earthly father, David.


Watch and be sober, my friend.
The time is short, the days are beginning to look very bad.

That means that He is very near.

The Time of Israel’s Trouble, look it up bro

 

[Binyamin7]

The Time of Israel’s Trouble, look it up bro

Go to page 26 and from there on you can see in my rough copy of my book I am very familiar with these prophecies. WYSBAC edit 2020 - Changes Accepted.odt (excuse the links being dead someone "proof read it" and messed stuff up and I don't feel like getting the other version of a different pc or thumb drive atm).

Not being rude but I don't need a crash course in what most evangelicals think of the prophecy of 490 years. I can preach it off the top of my head. In both the way most people think it means and the way I am trying to explain to you is a very serious possibility.

 

[Sai]

Go to page 26 and from there on you can see in my rough copy of my book I am very familiar with these prophecies. WYSBAC edit 2020 - Changes Accepted.odt (excuse the links being dead someone "proof read it" and messed stuff up and I don't feel like getting the other version of a different pc or thumb drive atm).

Not being rude but I don't need a crash course in what most evangelicals think of the prophecy of 490 years. I can preach it off the top of my head. In both the way most people think it means and the way I am trying to explain to you is a very serious possibility.

Jesus will not return until the Jews ask him to.

 

[Binyamin7]

Jesus will not return until the Jews ask him to.

Zech 12:10. You are talking about the Second Advent and I am not sure what your point is but that is true.