3 Cops killed, 3 injured in Baton, Rouge -Sunday 7/17/16

[righteousdude2]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/17/us/baton-route-police-shooting/index.html?adkey=bn

It appears that the war on cops has taken three more lives. When will Obama step up and repent for setting this in motion? Let's pray for the families of these cops. Cooler heads need to prevail, AS AMERICA SINKS DEEPER INTO THE PIT OF CIVIL WAR and third world status.

 

[Zaac]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/17/us/baton-route-police-shooting/index.html?adkey=bn

It appears that the war on cops has taken three more lives. When will Obama step up and repent for setting this in motion?

Perhaps he'll step up the minute you stop making your bigoted statements about him setting it in motion?

Prayers for the families of the officers and the people of Baton Rouge. I have a lot of friends over there.
But I mentioned to a group of people the other day as we were discussing all of these shootings something I had said last year. I said that unfortunately in order for some white people to begin to comprehend how sick Blacks and others are about police officers murdering black and brown people, white police officers would probably start getting killed.

The same thing that a lot of conservative white people will be able to grasp from white officers being murdered is the same thing that minorities have grappled with for decades and amplified the last few years.

This is the wickedness that is bred when some lives are marginalized and devalued and those in power don't care.

 

[Zaac]

This open carry stuff is out of control, What is an officer supposed to do when we ALLOW for folks to LEGALLY walk down the street with assault rifles?

What we know so far:

• 3 police officers were killed and three others injured in a shooting in Baton Rouge, La., Sunday.
• The shootings began at 9 a.m. as police responded to a report of a man walking along the highway with an assault rifle.
• Police say one suspect is dead, but believe two others may be at large.
• Louisiana Gov. John Bel Edwards called the killings "an unspeakable and unjustified attack on all of us."
• The shootings come on the heels of the slayings of five Dallas police officers in an ambush during a protest of the police-involved deaths of black men in Falcon Heights, Minn., and Baton Rouge.
• A press conference has been scheduled for 3 p.m. local time.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/baton-rouge-police-shooting-live-000000633.html?.tsrc=fp_liveblog

 

[Don]

This open carry stuff is out of control, What is an officer supposed to do when we ALLOW for folks to LEGALLY walk down the street with assault rifles?

The same thing they've been doing for months in other states? Since Louisiana doesn't require a permit for open carry, ask them for an ID; run it to make sure they're legally allowed to possess a weapon; then wish them a fine, outstanding day and carry on.

Pay attention to the details, Zaac; the police are asking for assistance in locating up to two other shooters, dressed in black, possibly military style outfits, possibly wearing masks.

When you connect the dots, why are you focusing on the (mis-labeled yet again, thank you main-stream media) weapon?

 

[Jkdbuck76]

It is never ok to commit murder.

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[Zaac]

It is never ok to commit murder.

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Completely agree.

 

[Zaac]

The same thing they've been doing for months in other states? Since Louisiana doesn't require a permit for open carry, ask them for an ID; run it to make sure they're legally allowed to possess a weapon; then wish them a fine, outstanding day and carry on.

I ask that Don because early reports were that they were approaching this guy and he opened fire as he was walking down a road.

Pay attention to the details, Zaac; the police are asking for assistance in locating up to two other shooters, dressed in black, possibly military style outfits, possibly wearing masks.

Now they are saying that they are not sure if there were other shooters. It could have been the officers caught in the middle of something.

When you connect the dots, why are you focusing on the (mis-labeled yet again, thank you main-stream media) weapon?

I'm focusing on the weapon and the shooter. And if folks weren't allowed to walk all willy nilly down the street carrying these type of weapons, the police wouldn't have to approach them to ask for an ID.

 

[Alcott]

If police officers are too quick on the trigger when arresting or questioning black men in hoodies, how much quicker are they going to become now? These are really smart responses, aren't they?

 

[Don]

I ask that Don because early reports were that they were approaching this guy and he opened fire as he was walking down a road.



Now they are saying that they are not sure if there were other shooters. It could have been the officers caught in the middle of something.



I'm focusing on the weapon and the shooter. And if folks weren't allowed to walk all willy nilly down the street carrying these type of weapons, the police wouldn't have to approach them to ask for an ID.

Your original question was, what are officers to do? They're to do exactly what they were doing: approach and investigate.

Now, what makes you think the suspect was carrying legally?

 

[righteousdude2]

If police officers are too quick on the trigger when arresting or questioning black men in hoodies, how much quicker are they going to become now? These are really smart responses, aren't they?

That is a very good point. When you are in a battle zone, you act diffwrently andhow they act will be heightened, ans edgy trying to remain "frosty" and more blacks, whites, Asiasn ans Hispanic skinned people will be scrutinized with fear.

The cops want to go home each night, to their families. These ambushes are stupid as they place cops at highest alert

 

[Scarlett O.]

Now, what makes you think the suspect was carrying legally?

Thank you for the common sense. There is no "willy-nilly" carrying of weapons in Louisiana. There are restrictions on WHO can carry, WHERE you can carry, and policemen have the right and responsibility to check anyone at anytime they choose to check that they are legally carrying the weapons they have.

The black people that I work with and know don't want policemen to die in order for white people to "learn their lesson". In fact, the black community in my area formed and held an ALL Lives Matter prayer vigil last summer and they are hosting one again in August of this year.

I don't know any white people who celebrate the murder of black people.

 

[Don]

Your original question was, what are officers to do? They're to do exactly what they were doing: approach and investigate.

Now, what makes you think the suspect was carrying legally?

Allow me to head this off before it degenerates: All I'm doing is pointing out the rush to make judgments, throw out opinions, etc. before we even know what the story actually is.

Just once, I wish we could examine a story based on facts instead of jumping to emotion-based outbursts.

Curse of the internet, I guess....

 

[Zaac]

Thank you for the common sense. There is no "willy-nilly" carrying of weapons in Louisiana.

Apparently there is since the guy was walking down the road with his gun.

There are restrictions on WHO can carry, WHERE you can carry, and policemen have the right and responsibility to check anyone at anytime they choose to check that they are legally carrying the weapons they have.

It is beyond stupid to create additional work for police to have to check this. Not just stupid, but potentially life threatening for them to have to do this just because folks want to carry their guns out in the open. Y'all got problems.

The black people that I work with and know don't want policemen to die in order for white people to "learn their lesson". In fact, the black community in my area formed and held an ALL Lives Matter prayer vigil last summer and they are hosting one again in August of this year.

That's how most folks feel. But ask them did they think anything other than white folks getting killed or white police officers getting killed was gonna get the attention of most white people that there is a policing problem in this country?

I don't know any white people who celebrate the murder of black people.

It's called racism. I suppose you've been under a rock.

 

[Zaac]

Your original question was, what are officers to do? They're to do exactly what they were doing: approach and investigate.

Now, what makes you think the suspect was carrying legally?

Doesn't matter if he was carrying legally. If you're in an open carry place, officers aren't checking everyone who is carrying a weapon.

As was the case in Dallas several of those protestors were carrying guns. Folks are gonna end up dead because officers aren't gonna know who the good guys are and who the bad guys are.

So again, what are officers to do? Keep approaching folks who are carrying these guns and losing their lives, as opposed to outlawing the carrying of such weapons openly? How many more folks have to die ?

 

[Zaac]

If police officers are too quick on the trigger when arresting or questioning black men in hoodies, how much quicker are they going to become now? These are really smart responses, aren't they?

If they respond to white guys in hoodies carrying guns the same way, there wouldn't be much of an issue.

 

[Don]

Doesn't matter if he was carrying legally. If you're in an open carry place, officers aren't checking everyone who is carrying a weapon.

Because, while I would agree with you about being misguided, a very large majority of those who are exercising open-carry rights are responsible gun owners. The fallacy with your argument is that it doesn't make a distinction between law-abiding responsible citizens and criminals.

As was the case in Dallas several of those protestors were carrying guns. Folks are gonna end up dead because officers aren't gonna know who the good guys are and who the bad guys are.

And the fallacy with this statement is that NONE of the citizens exercising open-carry rights were involved with the shooting in Dallas. The only one I've seen anything written about went to a policeman and turned over his weapon when the situation started. You know, did the responsible thing. He was only held for about half an hour, given his weapon back, and let go.

So again, what are officers to do? Keep approaching folks who are carrying these guns and losing their lives, as opposed to outlawing the carrying of such weapons openly? How many more folks have to die ?

Zaac, officers were dying this way BEFORE Louisiana legalized open carry. They'd get a report of someone carrying a weapon; they'd investigate; shooting would occur.

The ONLY thing that would support your position is a statistic showing that such incidents have increased since Louisiana made open-carry legal.

Quit letting your emotions and fear override your reason.

 

[Alcott]

If they respond to white guys in hoodies carrying guns the same way, there wouldn't be much of an issue.

That's right; there wouldn't. It's only when police shoot somebody black or other minority that there is an "issue."

 

[Zaac]

Because, while I would agree with you about being misguided, a very large majority of those who are exercising open-carry rights are responsible gun owners. The fallacy with your argument is that it doesn't make a distinction between law-abiding responsible citizens and criminals.

That's not a fallacy with the argument. That's the point of what I said. We've created a climate where they don't know and they have to put themselves in harms way to check.

For what purpose does anyone have for carrying a rifle like we keep seeing in the news? Why aren't they choosing handguns?

And the fallacy with this statement is that NONE of the citizens exercising open-carry rights were involved with the shooting in Dallas. The only one I've seen anything written about went to a policeman and turned over his weapon when the situation started. You know, did the responsible thing. He was only held for about half an hour, given his weapon back, and let go.

Yet he did it for exactly the reason I just mentioned: so that he wouldn't be confused as one of the shooters.When everyone is carrying, police officers are bound to get confused. Take for instance what the Dallas police chief said:

When rifle shots rang out in downtown Dallas during Thursday night's protest, some of the demonstrators were also carrying rifles.

In the ensuing chaos, one of them was labeled a "person of interest" after police released a photo of him carrying an AR-15 rifle. Others were stopped and questioned by police.

It was not immediately clear Saturday whether any of those who were legally armed delayed or hampered the police response to the shooter, Micah Xavier Johnson, 25, of Mesquite. Dallas police did not respond to questions.

But Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings said: "It's logical to say that in a shooting situation, open carry can be detrimental to the safety of individuals."

Johnson, a former Army soldier, was killed early Friday when police used a robot to detonate a bomb near him. That was after he killed five police officers in a rampage through downtown.

It is legal in Texas to openly carry rifles and has been for decades. People with rifles have been spotted at recent public protests across the state.

Rawlings said Dallas police Chief David Brown told him that people running through the shooting scene with rifles and body armor required officers to track them down and bring them to the police department. Whether that was time that could have been spent trying to find and stop the shooter is something police will have to comment on, Rawlings said.

Zaac, officers were dying this way BEFORE Louisiana legalized open carry. They'd get a report of someone carrying a weapon; they'd investigate; shooting would occur.

The ONLY thing that would support your position is a statistic showing that such incidents have increased since Louisiana made open-carry legal.

I didn't say it wasn't happening before. I'm just saying that another layer of danger has been created for officers that simply wasn't there before. If an armed person walked into a bank in the past, the police would come running because it was out of place and the folks inside alert the police to come with guns ablazing.

Now 30 people are killed before anyone realizes a problem because everyone is carrying.

Quit letting your emotions and fear override your reason.

Please. My reasoning says it's stupid for it to be legal for someone to be walking down the road or through an airport with a loaded rifle just because they are in a carry state.

It creates an unneeded burden for police officers.

 

[Zaac]

That's right; there wouldn't. It's only when police shoot somebody black or other minority that there is an "issue."

YEP. And rightfully so. Glad you're coming to understand that if white folks dressed the same were shot by the police the same,, no one would be saying anything.

 

[Alcott]

YEP. And rightfully so. Glad you're coming to understand that if white folks dressed the same were shot by the police the same,, no one would be saying anything.

Why yes. That's the next step in "affirmative action;" for police to shoot more whites, to make up for imbalances, real or perceived, of the past.