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3 stabbed, 2 fatally, by man hurling racial slurs at Muslim women on Portland train

Use of Time

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You were the one who brought up the "millions of videos of Muslim leaders condemning it" not me. So if you brought it up, perhaps you should be the one to back your claim up with a source. That's how it works.

Answer the question. Can you not use google or are you telling me you tried and failed to find anything. It took ITL ten seconds and the same for me.
 

Use of Time

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I even offered to help him. Some people make a conscious decision to remain ignorant in the face of available information. They cannot be helped or changed.
 

Happy

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Bottom line ~ regardless of race, religion, or groupie ~ People are individuals.

People ALL have the God given blessing to believe what they want, do what they want, and project their own beliefs out of their own mouths or by; after the fact of what they do.

And ALL people have the "ability" to disagree, to label, to dictate how they "react" to an others beliefs and actions.
(THAT does not mean they are "accurate". It simply means "they" are revealing, "their opinionated in opposition conclusion". )

WHEN an individual is a WILLING (by force or by default) participant (included) in ANY race, religion, group.....it is PRESUMED, "they" are in "agreement", WITH the BULK (not all) of what the group stands for.

WHEN a race, religion, group ~ STANDS against an others Beliefs, Customs, Traditions ~ it is the MAJORITY of their beliefs, and the MAJORITY of THOSE who agree with the beliefs...... that is being STOOD against.

WHEN any one - stands AGAINST, a race.... Jews, Arabs, Whites, Blacks.... It is NOT against, EVERY Jew, Arab, White, Black.....but rather IS standing against those of those races with WHOM they disagree with their PRINCIPLES, STANDARDS, ACTIONS, STANDINGS and those whom are ardent in such standings.

It is the ignorance of SOCIETY that dictates "anti" Jew, Arab, White, Black....dictating an individual AGAINST the WHOLE, which is for the most part, a LIE.

ARAB governments are dictated BY their religion.
Several ARAB governments have outright DECLARED their supreme hatred of JEWS and AMERICANS.
It is of NO SECRET ~ the MAJORITY of citizens of ARAB nations submit to and agree with their religion and their civil laws based on their religion.

It is NO SECRET Jewish kingdoms were established on Gods standards and principles.

It is NO SECRET Arab kingdoms were established on a mans standards and principles.

It is NO SECRET the US was established on Biblical standards and principles, but forces No ONE to adhere to a Biblical belief.

It is NO SECRET Arabs come to the US, and KEEP their religious beliefs, and promote their religious beliefs, and attempt to CHANGE civil laws (through) various methods to INVOKE their religious beliefs to become the standard basis for civil government.

It is astounding at HOW MANY Americans are ignorant of history, and intent of foreigners who come to the US in droves. And IF one was willing to OPEN their EYES, (and stop being the slow boiled frog in the pot), you would KNOW to be suspicious of the intent of people coming into the US, when they LEAVE their home country, its laws, its customs, its language, its traditions, its education, its food style and it's it's predominate religious beliefs; TO come to the US, and DO NOT assimilate.....
which BY THE WAY, (until corrupt politicians flourished in government), WAS precisely a prerequisite to being GRANTED US citizenship!)

When Americans FALL for the passive....awe...everyone wants to come to America for freedom....(and freebies)....
and IGNORE their greater INTENT, "you" become the victim of ignorance and then "attempt" to preach your ignorance to those who comprehend the facts and truth. VIOLA.... a divided America.....VIOLA.... a EASY pathway for foreigners!

UGH!!

At the close of the Constitutional Convention on September 17, 1787, as Benjamin Franklin left the hall in Philadelphia, he was asked, “What kind of government have you given us, Dr.Franklin?”
He replied: “A republic, if you can keep it.” https://utahlinks.org/learn/docs/Bradley_Republic.pdf

KEEP IT? For crying out loud, a LARGE section of American citizens don't even know what that is! (yeah Liberal public education!!)

KEEP IT? For crying out loud, a LARGE section of American citizens can hardly promote the nations LIBERTY and LIBERTY of its citizens, to be GIVEN away fast enough to suit their agenda.

UGH!
 
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Baptist Believer

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Bottom line ~ regardless of race, religion, or groupie ~ People are individuals.
Yes.

People ALL have the God given blessing to believe what they want, do what they want, and project their own beliefs out of their own mouths or by; after the fact of what they do.
In a free society, yes.

And ALL people have the "ability" to disagree, to label, to dictate how they "react" to an others beliefs and actions.
(THAT does not mean they are "accurate". It simply means "they" are revealing, "their opinionated in opposition conclusion". )
In a free society, yes.

WHEN an individual is a WILLING (by force or by default) participant (included) in ANY race, religion, group.....it is PRESUMED, "they" are in "agreement", WITH the BULK (not all) of what the group stands for.
That is a faulty presumption. There are so many exceptions to that presumption, you cannot even call if a typical statement. For example, most Christians are not six-day creationists, so - according to your logic - all Christians must generally be in agreement with a theory of origins other than six-day creationism.

WHEN a race, religion, group ~ STANDS against an others Beliefs, Customs, Traditions ~ it is the MAJORITY of their beliefs, and the MAJORITY of THOSE who agree with the beliefs...... that is being STOOD against.
False. This logic fails because it is built on the faulty assertion that precedes it.

WHEN any one - stands AGAINST, a race.... Jews, Arabs, Whites, Blacks.... It is NOT against, EVERY Jew, Arab, White, Black.....but rather IS standing against those of those races with WHOM they disagree with their PRINCIPLES, STANDARDS, ACTIONS, STANDINGS and those whom are ardent in such standings.
No, not in the cases of some hate groups. They see things according to ethnic heritage. I grew up around the Klan and Klan members, and they claimed that it was "standards, actions, standings," etc., but that was justification for simple hatred.

It is the ignorance of SOCIETY that dictates "anti" Jew, Arab, White, Black....dictating an individual AGAINST the WHOLE, which is for the most part, a LIE.
Not if the person(s) initiating violence declare(s) their motivations.

ARAB governments are dictated BY their religion.
Several ARAB governments have outright DECLARED their supreme hatred of JEWS and AMERICANS.
Governments in the Middle East often do not speak for their citizens. For instance, a significant number (possibly a majority) of the citizens of Iran (by the way, not "Arabs" - they are Persians) tend to favor the United States while their government has proposed "death to America" and "death to Israel."

It is of NO SECRET ~ the MAJORITY of citizens of ARAB nations submit to and agree with their religion and their civil laws based on their religion.
Generally.

It is NO SECRET Jewish kingdoms were established on Gods standards and principles.
But those kingdoms no longer exist. The current Israel is a secular state.

It is NO SECRET Arab kingdoms were established on a mans standards and principles.
Like all other nations.

It is NO SECRET the US was established on Biblical standards and principles, but forces NO ONE to adhere to a Biblical belief.
The United States was established on Western Enlightenment principles, with a remarkably heavy Christian influence, to establish a secular state to create a free society and provide religious liberty for all.

It is NO SECRET Arabs come to the US, and KEEP their religious beliefs, and promote their religious beliefs...
Some do, some don't.

...and attempt to CHANGE civil laws (through) various methods to INVOKE their religious beliefs to become the standard basis for civil government.
A very small number agitate to establish their religious beliefs as law. They are many more "Christians" who agitate to get their religious beliefs established and enforced by the government in various movements involving school prayer, six-day creationism taught in schools, etc.

It is astounding at HOW MANY Americans are ignorant of history, and intent of foreigners who come to the US in droves. And IF one was willing to OPEN their EYES, (and stop being the slow boiled frog in the pot), you would KNOW to be suspicious of the intent of people coming into the US, when they LEAVE their home country, its laws, its customs, its language, its traditions, its education, its food style and it's it's predominate religious beliefs; TO come to the US, and NOT assimilate.
This is the same old tired anti-immigrant fear mongering that we have known for more than 100 years. We are a nation of immigrants and most immigrant families fully assimilate by the first generation.

When Americans FALL for the passive....awe...everyone wants to come to America for freedom....(and freebies)....
and IGNORE their greater INTENT, "you" become the victim of ignorance and then "attempt" to preach your ignorance to those who comprehend the facts and truth. VIOLA.... a divided America.....VIOLA.... a EASY pathway for foreigners!
You assume all sorts of horrible things about immigrants based on your fears and not reality.
 

Crabtownboy

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Hope Brad grows up and stops acting like an spoiled brat. Language he uses indicates a small mind and smaller vocabulary as well as no thinking skills.

I hope he will take his own advice:
  • "Beware of those Christians whose faith is based on their own ideas and feelings, and what they think is right, and not on God's word."
I will beware of Brad.

Blessings.
 

Use of Time

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Then why didn't you do it ...

Because it's like being asked to cite a source for the grass being green or water being wet. I'm not your errand boy. You can take five seconds to look up the blatantly obvious or you can keep crying to me about your inability to work a web browser. I even offered to help you.

Nice knowing you by the way.
 

Happy

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In a free society, yes.
In a free society, yes.

In ANY society. A free society simply allows you to open your mouth and speak what you believe. However, even in a closed society, a man can believe what he chooses.

I'm sure you have heard, NO MAN knows the thoughts of an others heart....only the man himself and God....and it is specifically the thoughts of the heart, that God seeks, that reveals the mans true belief and faithfulness to God.

That is a faulty presumption. There are so many exceptions to that presumption, you cannot even call if a typical statement. For example, most Christians are not six-day creationists, so - according to your logic - all Christians must generally be in agreement with a theory of origins other than six-day creationism.

No that is not a faulty presumption. I precluded my statement with "the bulk", which is to say of any group the "BULK" (majority) of the participants will be in agreement on all levels, whereas the lesser number will have particular things they disagree with.


False. This logic fails because it is built on the faulty assertion that precedes it.

No it is not false. The logic does not fail. It is your comprehension and understanding that has failed.


No, not in the cases of some hate groups. They see things according to ethnic heritage. I grew up around the Klan and Klan members, and they claimed that it was "standards, actions, standings," etc., but that was justification for simple hatred.

You have chosen a particular group.
You have labeled them, as haters, because they do not think like you do.
However you may absolutely have a core connection to that group, by default of RACE.
"THEY" absolutely separate themselves, based on race.
And absolutely they have an AGENDA.
However that does not mean EVERY "member" agrees with HOW TO "effect" their "AGENDA".
And when the BULK of the member DO AGREE, HOW the agenda WILL be effected, the HOW moves forward, regardless of what the lesser members may like.


Not if the person(s) initiating violence declare(s) their motivations.

Every group has an INTENT. (political, religious, schools, home-owners associations, castle law, prison inmates,etc.)

The "INTENT" is what entices others to want to be part of "that group".
It is always "others" trying to obstruct the groups "intentions".
It is always the "BULK" who will prevail HOW "others" will be dealt with.
There is almost always "a part of the group", who do not agree on HOW TO deal with others.

That is my point! A few people do not have to AGREE in their own mind with HOW TO react to others, while still agreeing with the INTENT of the whole group.

Governments in the Middle East often do not speak for their citizens. For instance, a significant number (possibly a majority) of the citizens of Iran (by the way, not "Arabs" - they are Persians) tend to favor the United States while their government has proposed "death to America" and "death to Israel."

I did not mention Iran. I simply said Arabs to signify the Middle Eastern area. I don't accredit the general population with being knowledgeable in geography.

While you speak for a "majority" of citizens "of Iran", claiming they do not agree with their Governments position....
I would simply say the numbers you pick out of the air, while fascinating, simply reveal your ignorance of the design of Islamic countries, their governments and their people.


Generally.

Back to my point. They do not have to agree with HOW their government "effects" their intent. However they do not "generally" denounce their religion.

The Quran dictates to them to find, to fight, to kill.....infidels. (unbelievers.......according to THEIR belief).

Now open your eyes. Are you with OPEN ARMS embracing those who come to the US, and KEEP their Islamic religion, while "pretending", they are going to IGNORE the teachings of their religion and be tolerant of your Christian beliefs?

Utterly naive!

But those kingdoms no longer exist.

Of course they exist. God declared. Whether or not you can observe it, does not mean it does not exist.

The current Israel is a secular state.

Mans "declaration" is a little sliver of land "belongs" to Israel. Gods "promise" and "declaration" has not changed.

Like all other nations.

False.

The United States was established on Western Enlightenment principles, with a remarkably heavy Christian influence, to establish a secular state to create a free society and provide religious liberty for all.

The Federation was established under Biblical principles and standards.
The Government of the Federation was established after observing OTHER governments, (kingdoms, dictatorial governments, republics, and other.) It was the Republican form of Government, (with the inclusion of a specific group of people being ALLOWED to VOTE for the PERSON to occupy the OFFICE of the head of the Federation, which IS the exclusive part, called DEMOCRACY), that was decided and agreed upon by the PEOPLE who would be governed by the LAWS of the Republic}
It is the LAWS of the Republic, the PEOPLE agreed to would be LIMITED, and set forth under Biblical principles and standards.

IF you study the structure of the Government as it was designed....you would find the truth in the history thereof.
IF you study the historical "changes" made by dishonorable men seated in honorable seats....you would find the corruption of the design being sucked into decayed.
IF you open your eyes and ears....you would find when and how the TRUTH has been replaced with LIES, and multiple generations have been educated with LIES, not the TRUTH.

Some do, some don't.

No duh! And for those who embrace the ones who don't; I'd rather they be YOUR neighbor, not mine.

A very small number agitate to establish their religious beliefs as law.

One should be a concern for you, but obviously not.

They are many more "Christians" who agitate to get their religious beliefs established and enforced by the government in various movements involving school prayer, six-day creationism taught in schools, etc.

Uh huh. Precisely. This country was established on the PEOPLE'S agreement to establish laws on Biblical principles and standards.....so really? It is an issue when the People do that? weird!

This is the same old tired anti-immigrant fear mongering that we have known for more than 100 years. We are a nation of immigrants and most immigrant families fully assimilate by the first generation.

Speaking of old and tired speech...

We are a nation of immigrants

Yawn! The US of A, was established for US of A "CITIZENS" ! People who AGREED to be governed by a Republican form of Government. People who AGREED to be subject to the LAWS established according to the principles and standards of the Bible. People who DO elect to come to the US of A and ...
1) lawfully visit and leave
2) elect to ASSIMILATE and BE subject to a Republican form of government AND subject to the LAWS established according to the principles and standards of the Bible. And become a citizen, making their VOW to hold allegiance TO the same they claim they were willing to subject themselves to... (ie the Form of government and the principles and standards for the laws that they will be subject to).
3) sneak in the country, (a criminal act), do not subject themselves to the Republic, do not subject themselves to the law, and are a menace and reek havoc on America and her citizens.

We are a nation of immigrants

No. I am not an immigrant. Nor were my parents, g-parents, gg-parents, ggg-parents.... actually, maternally and paternally my g+ parents were English colonists who fought for separation from the King of England and were among the people who agreed to a Republic form of government and agreed to the establishment of LAWS of the Republic be based on Biblical principles and standards, who BECAME lawful citizens and VOWED their allegiance to America.

You assume all sorts of horrible things about immigrants based on your fears and not reality.

That is a LIE. Don't lecture me about assumptions, while you blab out your own assumptions.
You obviously do not comprehend the disdain I have for corruption, cheating and theft.

Islamic countries are called "Islamic" countries, precisely because their RELIGION IS a force that dictates HOW their government operates.
In America one is FREE to dictate which religion they choose to subject themselves to. However the creation of the LAWS are subject to be designed according to Biblical standards and principles.

And really? You think the MAJORITY of "immigrants" from Islamic countries, are willing to forego their OWN religious beliefs, to become subject to LAWS, designed under Biblical standards and principles?

YOU are naive. I don't fear immigrants. I fear ignorant Americans!
 
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