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[SavedByGrace]

If your government is “taking care” of you, you have no freedom in your Independent country.

peace to you

What I mean is, that we have a great free health service, the NHS. A very good benefits system, that will pay people a guaranteed amount every week too live on. I know someone who has not been able to work for about 25 years, due to back problems, and other health issues. He gets all his medication free. He gets about £450 each month, his full rent paid which is about £300 per month. A huge water bill discount, which would normally be about £25 per month, and he pays £4. He also gets £140 per year off his electric bill! In 3 years time when he reaches the retirement age, he will get free travel on public transport. And then a pension from the government of about £700 each month, till he dies!

Give me just one country that can match this?

 

[canadyjd]

What I mean is, that we have a great free health service, the NHS. A very good benefits system, that will pay people a guaranteed amount every week too live on. I know someone who has not been able to work for about 25 years, due to back problems, and other health issues. He gets all his medication free. He gets about £450 each month, his full rent paid which is about £300 per month. A huge water bill discount, which would normally be about £25 per month, and he pays £4. He also gets £140 per year off his electric bill! In 3 years time when he reaches the retirement age, he will get free travel on public transport. And then a pension from the government of about £700 each month, till he dies!

Give me just one country that can match this?

I read something recently about England’s great free health system. Seems there was a baby with serious health issues. The government (health officials) decided there was nothing that could be done to treat the baby and decided to make the baby comfortable until she/he died.

The parents disagreed and wanted to pursue treatment in the US. The government refused. The parents had no rights to their own child. Once the government made the decision to let the baby die it was over.

When the person you spoke of gets very sick, your great health care system may think he has already costs the government too much money and decide to make him comfortable and let him die.

All countries that embrace socialism ultimately face the reality of limited resources and the destruction of human desires to succeed, to push forward, to seek greatness.

The people are imprisoned by a meager existence while proclaiming “look how great our country is! No other country is so good to its people”

peace to you

 

[SavedByGrace]

In the first place the NHS is not perfect or without its faults. Secondly if the government decides that a patient no longer requires treatment, it is usually after consultation with the doctors in the hospital. Again this is not perfect either. But to assume that treatment in other countries is likely to help is not always true. It depends on the seriousness of the sickness and what if any treatment will help.

 

[canadyjd]

In the first place the NHS is not perfect or without its faults. Secondly if the government decides that a patient no longer requires treatment, it is usually after consultation with the doctors in the hospital. Again this is not perfect either. But to assume that treatment in other countries is likely to help is not always true. It depends on the seriousness of the sickness and what if any treatment will help.

Please don’t be so blind as not to see the doctors and hospitals are paid by the government and will be held accountable to the government.

When the government says, “We have limited resources, cut the costs!” the idea of “do no harm” will be replaced with obedience to the politics of the moment.

Your great health system will have death panels (they already have them) and people will get treatment/or not based on politics of who is a drag on government resources.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

.....But to assume that treatment in other countries is likely to help is not always true. It depends on the seriousness of the sickness and what if any treatment will help.

You are not understanding the issue.

Whether the treatment would be effective is not the issue. Your government told the parents they had no right to make the attempt to save the life of their own child.

Let there be no mistake about why they made this decision. If that baby responded to treatment in the US, the great health system of the UK would be exposed as putting money ahead of treatment.

Are you OK with that?

peace to you

 

[SavedByGrace]

You are not understanding the issue.

Whether the treatment would be effective is not the issue. Your government told the parents they had no right to make the attempt to save the life of their own child.

Let there be no mistake about why they made this decision. If that baby responded to treatment in the US, the great health system of the UK would be exposed as putting money ahead of treatment.

Are you OK with that?

peace to you

Let me ask you something. If a person travelling to the US becomes really sick and in need of medical treatment. Would they be treated even though they could not afford to pay anything for the treatment they receive?

 

[SavedByGrace]

Please don’t be so blind as not to see the doctors and hospitals are paid by the government and will be held accountable to the government.

When the government says, “We have limited resources, cut the costs!” the idea of “do no harm” will be replaced with obedience to the politics of the moment.

Your great health system will have death panels (they already have them) and people will get treatment/or not based on politics of who is a drag on government resources.

peace to you

Seniors "Get on the Bus" to Canada for Affordable Prescription Drugs - Public Citizen

Here in the UK it is free

 

[canadyjd]

Let me ask you something. If a person travelling to the US becomes really sick and in need of medical treatment. Would they be treated even though they could not afford to pay anything for the treatment they receive?

Yes

The US has laws in place that mandate hospitals treat and stabilize any person, regardless of citizenship or ability to pay.

If a citizen of England was visiting and had a heart attack, they would immediately be treated and given emergency surgery if needed. The doctors wouldn’t know anything about there background only their medical needs.

You wouldn’t have a panel of “experts” from the government deciding if their life was worth the attempt to save.

The hospitals and doctors, through their managers, would attempt to collect the bill, but if not it would be written off as a loss on their taxes.

peace to you

 

[SavedByGrace]

The hospitals and doctors, through their managers, would attempt to collect the bill, but if not it would be written off as a loss on their taxes

whose taxes? and just were do you get this idea that there is some "panel" of doctors in the UK, who are trying to bump people of? Sure there are doctors who have to decide whether it is worthwhile to try to save a persons live, if they cannot be saved, but to suggest that here in the UK it is any worse than the US, is a joke!

 

[SavedByGrace]

Yes

The US has laws in place that mandate hospitals treat and stabilize any person, regardless of citizenship or ability to pay.

If a citizen of England was visiting and had a heart attack, they would immediately be treated and given emergency surgery if needed. The doctors wouldn’t know anything about there background only their medical needs.

You wouldn’t have a panel of “experts” from the government deciding if their life was worth the attempt to save.

The hospitals and doctors, through their managers, would attempt to collect the bill, but if not it would be written off as a loss on their taxes.

peace to you

More Americans were afraid of paying for healthcare if they became seriously ill (40%) than were afraid of getting seriously ill (33%), according to a 2018 poll by the University of Chicago and the West Health Institute.

The study also found that in one year, more than once, about 40% of Americans skipped a medical test or treatment and 44% didn’t go to the doctor when they were sick or injured.

Inequalities of US health system put coronavirus fight at risk, experts say

 

[Benjamin]

Let me ask you something.

Let me ask you something. Have you ever considered starting your your thread for all this British Nationalism garb instead flooding others with it?

 

[Benjamin]

Back on topic:

Mindy Robinson:

"It doesn’t make sense. You don’t need 30k armed soldiers, stryker vehicles, Patriot missiles, and a squad of F-16 fighter jets to fight a bunch of Trump supporters that’ll never make it over the fence. The Democrats have already gone off the Constitution-destroying rails...and they’re not even in power yet.

What do you think they’re *really* rolling out at the inauguration that’s got them so worried that the country will require mass-scale armed military suppression of its own civilians? "

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"Patriots - you may already know this, but it is important to reiterate. Stay away from any protests going on especially these next few days. They are traps designed to lure MAGA in and start a conflict just like on 1/6. We do NOT condone violence. Don’t let them have it. Stay away from your state Capitol buildings. Focus on your family and PRAYING. That is the most important thing you can do to right now."

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“Boogaloo” – “armed protestors who want to make sure the Proud Boys don’t stop people from speaking” who use open accounts at Twitter are already forming at state capitals:

Armed Protesters Begin To Arrive At State Capitols Around The Nation | ZeroHedge

 

[Benjamin]

More on Boogaloo:
Exclusive: 'Boogaloo Boi' Leader Who Aligns with Black Lives Matter Boasted About Organizing Armed Insurrection On US Capitol

 

[Benjamin]

The media is now pushing the idea that Biden feels threatened by our troops.

FBI vetting Guard troops in DC amid fears of insider attack

 

[robustheologian]

I think it is a big show with an attempt to make out the Right as a bunch of dangerous thugs

Democrats don't have to try hard to paint that picture.

 

[Benjamin]

The Democrats came up with a new chant:

 

[Salty]

Let me ask you something. If a person travelling to the US becomes really sick and in need of medical treatment. Would they be treated even though they could not afford to pay anything for the treatment they receive?

To save life or limb - yes
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia


Now, I do have a queston - you stated that health care is free- but what that means is that taxpayer are paying the bill.
So tell us - what are the taxes like over there?

 

[SavedByGrace]

To save life or limb - yes
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia


Now, I do have a queston - you stated that health care is free- but what that means is that taxpayer are paying the bill.
So tell us - what are the taxes like over there?

Band Taxable income Tax rate
Personal Allowance Up to £12,500 0%
Basic rate £12,501 to £50,000 20%
Higher rate £50,001 to £150,000 40%
Additional rate over £150,000 45%

anyone who earns less than £12.5k per year, pays zero tax. Even their National Insurance is greatly reduced. Also, as far as I am aware, for everyone, the first £12.5k is tax free (higher for couples), then the rest is taxable as the rates show.

 

[Benjamin]

I've asked that the thread stay on topic and yet it continues to be flooded with off topic comments. Please close it.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

This thread is closed per OP's request.