3rd Degree Murder and Manslaughter

[carpro]

doesn't give actual cause of death but probable cause.

need the autopsy report

These are the facts that the prosecutor is going to court with. I'm sure the autopsy will be part of the evidence, but it's not likely to help the prosecution. The tox screen, when it's finished, could well turn out to be the thing that hurts the prosecution the most. The rush to charge may turn out to be a huge mistake.

 

[Yeshua1]

Watch the entire video.

Does he have a basis then for a good defense ?

 

[carpro]

Why was he is that fight though? As all i saw so far was that he had the suspect handcuffed, and should have placed him then in his back seat, not knelling down on his neck!

The suspect resisted getting in the police vehicle by throwing himself on the ground, not once but twice. He was claiming he could not breathe while still on his feet , and before they even got him to the vehicle.

 

[Yeshua1]

The suspect resisted getting in the police vehicle by throwing himself on the ground, not once but twice. He was claiming he could not breathe while still on his feet , and before they even got him to the vehicle.

So he might have a valid defense then?

 

[carpro]

So he might have a valid defense then?

Not because of that. I believe his best defense is the underlying health condition of the suspect, plus whatever the tox screen may reveal. I suspect it will show he had chemicals in his body that contributed to his death. But that's mostly a guess, based on how he was acting.

It will work against him that one of the other officers suggested Floyd be turned on his side, which is no doubt policy. It was Mr. knee on the neck that said no.

 

[Yeshua1]

Not because of that. I believe his best defense is the underlying health condition of the suspect, plus whatever the tox screen may reveal. I suspect it will show he had chemicals in his body that contributed to his death. But that's mostly a guess, based on how he was acting.

It will work against him that one of the other officers suggested Floyd be turned on his side, which is no doubt policy. It was Mr. knee on the neck that said no.

The media is just showing the neck choke position!

 

[Salty]

I would say the coldness of the officer was proof he had been over come by the situation. Adrenaline dump had turned his reasonable thinking off. Its of utmost importance for the other officers to see this and react.

1) Reynolds, If I'm not mistaken - you have a LEO background
2) Suppose the LEO in questions had a valid reason to "knee" the ultimate victim,
-how long would have been a acceptable to keep his knee on the victim?
3) lets suppose the evidence shows, the office was not guilty - but would the
jury be afraid of issuing such a decision - knowing that the rioting would start all over?


DISCLAIMER _ This post is not to be construed that I think the former officer is innocent.
Rather, I just like to see all points all view before making a judgement.

One other thing - of all the people who have have basically presumed judgment on this story -
I wonder how many often say "I don't judge people"

 

[carpro]

The media is just showing the neck choke position!

That's all they're interested in. Keeps the mob inflamed.

 

[carpro]

I would say the coldness of the officer was proof he had been over come by the situation. Adrenaline dump had turned his reasonable thinking off. Its of utmost importance for the other officers to see this and react.

One of them did ask him if they shouldn't turn Floyd on his side. He said no. Being the senior officer involved, the others followed his lead. Unfortunately.

 

[Reynolds]

Does he have a basis then for a good defense ?

Probably not, but people need to understand his actions were not premeditated murder.

 

[Reynolds]

One of them did ask him if they shouldn't turn Floyd on his side. He said no. Being the senior officer involved, the others followed his lead. Unfortunately.

Yep. Happens a lot.

 

[Calminian]

1) Reynolds, If I'm not mistaken - you have a LEO background
2) Suppose the LEO in questions had a valid reason to "knee" the ultimate victim,
-how long would have been a acceptable to keep his knee on the victim?
3) lets suppose the evidence shows, the office was not guilty - but would the
jury be afraid of issuing such a decision - knowing that the rioting would start all over?


DISCLAIMER _ This post is not to be construed that I think the former officer is innocent.
Rather, I just like to see all points all view before making a judgement.

One other thing - of all the people who have have basically presumed judgment on this story -
I wonder how many often say "I don't judge people"

Not me. I do judge because Jesus commanded us to judge rightly, taking the spec out of our own eye first. Never judge is a misnomer--liberalism creeping into theology.

And if you really are not convinced at this point, I'd be curious what you think you might see in other footage that would convince you to acquit.

 

[Salty]

Not me. I do judge because Jesus commanded us to judge rightly, taking the spec out of our own eye first. Never judge is a misnomer--liberalism creeping into theology.

And if you really are not convinced at this point, I'd be curious what you think you might see in other footage that would convince you to acquit.

Didn't say I wasn't convinced

 

[carpro]

Not me. I do judge because Jesus commanded us to judge rightly, taking the spec out of our own eye first. Never judge is a misnomer--liberalism creeping into theology.

And if you really are not convinced at this point, I'd be curious what you think you might see in other footage that would convince you to acquit.

I believe it may very well be impossible to overcome the knee on the neck, although there is no evidence that it caused his death. No one will be able to erase that image from their minds.

 

[Calminian]

I believe it may very well be impossible to overcome the knee on the neck, although there is no evidence that it caused his death. No one will be able to erase that image from their minds.

In my thinking, that doesn't matter either. I know there is a legal distinction between murder and attempted murder. In my mind, those are equal crimes. Even if Floyd happened to live through this, I'd want that cop put away.

 

[HankD]

These are the facts that the prosecutor is going to court with. I'm sure the autopsy will be part of the evidence, but it's not likely to help the prosecution. The tox screen, when it's finished, could well turn out to be the thing that hurts the prosecution the most. The rush to charge may turn out to be a huge mistake.

the autopsy has been released - he apparently died from heart failure exasperated by self medication.

George Floyd autopsy: no sign of traumatic asphyxia or strangling

 

[Calminian]

the autopsy has been released - he apparently died from heart failure exasperated by self medication.

George Floyd autopsy: no sign of traumatic asphyxia or strangling

I doubt this will matter. Police must always realize they are dealing with people with various health problems.

 

[Reynolds]

1) Reynolds, If I'm not mistaken - you have a LEO background
2) Suppose the LEO in questions had a valid reason to "knee" the ultimate victim,
-how long would have been a acceptable to keep his knee on the victim?
3) lets suppose the evidence shows, the office was not guilty - but would the
jury be afraid of issuing such a decision - knowing that the rioting would start all over?


DISCLAIMER _ This post is not to be construed that I think the former officer is innocent.
Rather, I just like to see all points all view before making a judgement.

One other thing - of all the people who have have basically presumed judgment on this story -
I wonder how many often say "I don't judge people"

In general, a knee to the throat would only be authorized when deadly force is justified. It would only remain authorized so long as the need for deadly force continued to be justified. Means, opportunity, and jeopardy must be present, and continue to be present, for an officer to use deadly force. When one element ceases to exist, the use of deadly force must stop. The officer was wrong and is guilty of taking a life. People must understand it was not premeditated murder. 3rd degree is the proper charge.

 

[HankD]

I doubt this will matter. Police must always realize they are dealing with people with various health problems.

correct, the public has already tried and condemned the officer just because of the optics.

and yes, he is indeed responsible for his death. they could have helped him up and saved his life.

 

[HankD]

So he might have a valid defense then?

the final verdict will probably be manslaughter and not murder which will mean several more days of rioting in democrat sanctuary cities.