3rd Shot

[JonC]

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Authorizes Additional Vaccine Dose for Certain Immunocompromised Individuals

 

[Reynolds]

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Authorizes Additional Vaccine Dose for Certain Immunocompromised Individuals

My doc still says everybody needs a booster every 10 months.

 

[JonC]

My doc still says everybody needs a booster every 10 months.

I think that is coming. They started with the immunocompromised with the vaccine as well.

And it makes sense that boosters would be necessary.

So we will be on #3 soon. You're falling behind the vax power curve, bro.

 

[Reynolds]

I think that is coming. They started with the immunocompromised with the vaccine as well.

And it makes sense that boosters would be necessary.

So we will be on #3 soon. You're falling behind the vax power curve, bro.

I may be ahead. More studies coming out showing T cell antibodies are diminishing but remaining constant. Increasing with continued exposures.

 

[JonC]

I may be ahead. More studies coming out showing T cell antibodies are diminishing but remaining constant. Increasing with continued exposures.

I actually don't buy that. It is wishful thinking (just like booster shots).

Truth is we do not know and both sides are pushing their hypothesis beyond reasonable bounds at this stage in the game.

Time will tell.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

I think most people see this wrongly, though. It's not as though running out of antibodies were like a phone running out of power and needing a recharge. Too few antibodies is not better than being completely unvaccinated.

If the levels get below the threshold needed to be neutralizing, then they promote antibody-dependent enhancement (pathogenic priming). That means the antibodies make the infection worse, potentially lethally worse. A booster shot kicks the can down the road. It buys time. But...these shots are not without cost. Tissue is damaged with every shot. This is not in doubt. The mRNA vaccine must infect a cell, and the cell must be destroyed by the immune system for this to work. Each shot contains about 40 trillion infectious particles (a person has about 30 trillion cells in their entire body). Adverse reactions and clotting are likely to be worse with the third than with the second, also.

I could be wrong, but I think a person could take a traditional flu shot every year and be fine. It's not mRNA. It doesn't need to damage tissue to work. It doesn't target a virus known to cause ADE. I think people look at this vaccine and make the mistake of confusing it with the flu shot. This is not the flu shot.

I also think people make the mistake of thinking that most of their body tissues heal. We're covered in skin, which heals quite easily, and that's almost all we see of ourselves. If I scrape myself, new cells form and take the place of the old ones. Most tissues are not like skin. Most are completely incapable of replacing cells that have died. The best that they can do is fill in the holes with that body-caulk known as scar tissue, which is fine as a filler, but it doesn't perform the active function of any tissue.

So, people have put themselves in a position where they have to get the booster periodically just to keep from being worse-off than the unvaccinated, and with every shot they kill a fraction of their own bodies.

I can only see one possible outcome to this.

 

[JonC]

I think most people see this wrongly, though. It's not as though running out of antibodies were like a phone running out of power and needing a recharge. Too few antibodies is not better than being completely unvaccinated.

If the levels get below the threshold needed to be neutralizing, then they promote antibody-dependent enhancement (pathogenic priming). That means the antibodies make the infection worse, potentially lethally worse. A booster shot kicks the can down the road. It buys time. But...these shots are not without cost. Tissue is damaged with every shot. This is not in doubt. The mRNA vaccine must infect a cell, and the cell must be destroyed by the immune system for this to work. Each shot contains about 40 trillion infectious particles (a person has about 30 trillion cells in their entire body). Adverse reactions and clotting are likely to be worse with the third than with the second, also.

I could be wrong, but I think a person could take a traditional flu shot every year and be fine. It's not mRNA. It doesn't need to damage tissue to work. It doesn't target a virus known to cause ADE. I think people look at this vaccine and make the mistake of confusing it with the flu shot. This is not the flu shot.

I also think people make the mistake of thinking that most of their body tissues heal. We're covered in skin, which heals quite easily, and that's almost all we see of ourselves. If I scrape myself, new cells form and take the place of the old ones. Most tissues are not like skin. Most are completely incapable of replacing cells that have died. The best that they can do is fill in the holes with that body-caulk known as scar tissue, which is fine as a filler, but it doesn't perform the active function of any tissue.

So, people have put themselves in a position where they have to get the booster periodically just to keep from being worse-off than the unvaccinated, and with every shot they kill a fraction of their own bodies.

I can only see one possible outcome to this.

The mRNA enters a cell but not the nucleus. The cell is not destroyed and no genetic material is inserted (a protein is produced which produces a response).

But no, the vacvine does not kill the cells (it does manuplate them, though, to produce a protein).

 

[Wingman68]

https://media.mercola.com/ImageServ...reness-foundation-covid-19-roundtable-pdf.pdf

Here is a compilation of where we are by many different Drs. Good read.

 

[JonC]

The truth is we do not know what the future will hold. We do not know if the vaccine will help future strains of COVID, we do not know if natural immunity will help either.

The anti-vaxers are fearmongering. So are the pro-vaxers. Each are hypothesizing.

A fool would say the vaccine will eradicate the virus. A fool would say the vaccinated may die in 5 years. A fool would say the vacvine does not provide immunity. A fool would say the unvaccinated will die of the virus.

There are a lot of fools out there - all motivated by so much fear of the unknown they pretend to know to comfort themselves.

Don't be a fool. Don't listen to fools.

 

[Scott Downey]

If at first you don't succeed, try, try, try again. I foresee never ending covid shots promoted by Fauci and the vaccine companies, who will make billions more dollars now.
Perhaps those who never got vaccinated will have to play catchup, get 3, 4, 5, or more shots of new and different mRNA spike protein factories running in their bodies.

 

[JonC]

If at first you don't succeed, try, try, try again. I foresee never ending covid shots promoted by Fauci and the vaccine companies, who will make billions more dollars now.
Perhaps those who never got vaccinated will have to play catchup, get 3, 4, 5, or more shots of new and different mRNA spike protein factories running in their bodies.

The issue with your post is you have no evidence the vaccine is ineffective (you are just guessing based on opinion and pretending those guesses are facts). Only time will tell.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

The mRNA enters a cell but not the nucleus. The cell is not destroyed and no genetic material is inserted (a protein is produced which produces a response).

But no, the vacvine does not kill the cells (it does manuplate them, though, to produce a protein).

You're right that it does not enter the nucleus. It enters the cytoplasm, where it is used to produce the spike protein. That spike is then directed to the membrane, where it is presented for discovery by cytotoxic T-lymphocytes. When these antigens are discovered by the CTLs, the entire cell (and, possibly, a few of its neighbors) is destroyed by those white blood cells. The white blood cell doesn't just look at the spike and say, "Hmm, that's interesting," and then walk away. Nothing I'm saying here is speculation. The cells infected by the vaccine are destroyed, and tissue damage happens with every injection.

The complimentary system:



In the above picture we have an alternate mechanism of cell death, beyond the host cell being devoured by a killer T-cell. When the cell presents the spike protein on its membrane, antibodies bind to the spike. Donut-shaped protein complexes of the host complimentary immune system are then stacked next to the antibody, attached to it, and the stack grows into a pipeline (see arrows) that crosses the membrane, making it leak like a sieve, slowly killing the cell.

So, yes, the cells that take up the vaccine and produce the spike will all definitely die. This is not even in question. There has been no scientific debate to the contrary.

 

[Scott Downey]

Definitely KILLS the cells, all of the infected cells programed to make spike proteins are destroyed. EXCEPT, If your immune system is damaged and does not work, then you likely will die. Some of these autopsies where they find spike protein factories spread all over the organs, likely their immune system gave up. Similar things happen with cancer, immune system cannot cope with so many bad cells making bad things. People also die of overwhelming infection, cause the immune system cannot keep up

 

[JonC]

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You're right that it does not enter the nucleus. It enters the cytoplasm, where it is used to produce the spike protein. That spike is then directed to the membrane, where it is presented for discovery by cytotoxic T-lymphocytes. When these antigens are discovered by the CTLs, the entire cell (and, possibly, a few of its neighbors) is destroyed by those white blood cells. The white blood cell doesn't just look at the spike and say, "Hmm, that's interesting," and then walk away. Nothing I'm saying here is speculation. The cells infected by the vaccine are destroyed, and tissue damage happens with every injection.

The complimentary system:

View attachment 5090

In the above picture we have an alternate mechanism of cell death, beyond the host cell being devoured by a killer T-cell. When the cell presents the spike protein on its membrane, antibodies bind to the spike. Donut-shaped protein complexes of the host complimentary immune system are then stacked next to the antibody, attached to it, and the stack grows into a pipeline (see arrows) that crosses the membrane, making it leak like a sieve, slowly killing the cell.

So, yes, the cells that take up the vaccine and produce the spike will all definitely die. This is not even in question. There has been no scientific debate to the contrary.

Yes. I understand biology.

The mRNA enters the cell (in the cytoplasm) and causes the cell to produce a protein (corresponding to the viral protein). The RNA then "burns up" (it does not stay in the system). Essentially, the cell does break down and the mRNA is destroyed. The spike protein can stay in the body up to 3 weeks.

The body develops antibodies to the spike protein (and, as a consequence, the virus).

That is why mRNA vaccines are much safer than traditional vaccines.

So what you are missing is that cells are replaced. As damage to a cell occurs (by a virus, by a vacvine, by radiation ...whatever) four thing can happen- nothing, the cell repairs itself perfectly, the cell repairs itself imperfectly, or the cell dies and is (in the case of muscle cells) replaced.

So yes, the cell ultimately dies and is replaced. This is a part of life (work out, kill cells..injury, kill cells....virus, kill cells....vaccine, kill cells).

You were right and I was wrong. I should have just left at this not being a bad thing.

 

[JonC]

Definitely KILLS the cells, all of the infected cells programed to make spike proteins are destroyed. EXCEPT, If your immune system is damaged and does not work, then you likely will die. Some of these autopsies where they find spike protein factories spread all over the organs, likely their immune system gave up. Similar things happen with cancer, immune system cannot cope with so many bad cells making bad things. People also die of overwhelming infection, cause the immune system cannot keep up

As of today there is no evidence the spike protein is dangerous to the body. One cannot be infected by spike protein.

 

[Scott Downey]

As of today there is no evidence the spike protein is dangerous to the body. One cannot be infected by spike protein.

Autopsy on Dead Body of COVID-19 Vaccinated Individual Reveals Spike Proteins in Every Organ - (usamagazinestudio.com)

That is disputed by many, including doctors. Not that the spike protein infects, it is not alive, just that it spreads. If it gets in organs, then the immune system must attack these spike proteins in the organs., meaning the cells with spike proteins on their surface. Cells never get fixed, they get destroyed, and new cells reproduce to replace the damaged cells, if the body is not too tired- worn out.

One reason people age, the cells dont get replaced properly, when you get old, your body systems slow down, and fail.

 

[JonC]

Autopsy on Dead Body of COVID-19 Vaccinated Individual Reveals Spike Proteins in Every Organ - (usamagazinestudio.com)

That is disputed by many, including doctors. Not that the spike protein infects, it is not alive, just that it spreads. If it gets in organs, then the immune system must attack these spike proteins in the organs., meaning the cells with spike proteins on their surface. Cells never get fixed, they get destroyed, and new cells reproduce to replace the damaged cells, if the body is not too tired- worn out.

One reason people age, the cells dont get replaced properly, when you get old, your body systems slow down, and fail.

But the spike protein itself is not damaging. You are suggesting the mRNA affected muscle cells (in the arm....it is an IM shot) which were not replaced.

The spike protein is released (the spike protein cells are destroyed).

 

[Scott Downey]

But the spike protein itself is not damaging. You are suggesting the mRNA affected muscle cells (in the arm) which were not replaced.

Your immune system feels all cells, it knows when something is not supposed to be there, it sees it as an invader to be destroyed, it does not care if it is alive or not.
It is damaging because the immune system reacts to it it as a foreign body, it is the whole reason your immune system then makes those antibodies to the spike proteins.
The spike proteins are swarmed by antibodies which lock on like a key, this inactivates the protein, and the immune cells consume it and whatever the spike proteing is stuck on, like an affected cell.


I am not suggesting anything.

 

[JonC]

Post Misrepresents Details of Postmortem Study of Vaccinated Patient - FactCheck.org

 

[Scott Downey]

Sniffing immune cells: Immune cells on the move are guided by touch and smell -- ScienceDaily

Your immune cells move through all tissues of the inter cellular matrix, touching, feeling smelling for damaged cells, bacteria, viruses, and the spike protein.