5 Reasons Why I'm a Calvinist
Jehovah's
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Brother Glen
Jehovah's
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Brother Glen
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5 Reasons Why I'm a Calvinist
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5 Reasons Why I'm a Calvinist
Jehovah's
Election
Saved
Us
Sinners
Brother Glen
Like many others, I was saved long before I was a Calvinist.
James Donovan
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My comment a few days ago was that one holds all 5 points or none. Since perseverance of the saints is so clearly not found in the Scripture the system falls. To make it work then the Calvinist must "make" verses written to saved people be about "never really saved people". That group exits only in the minds of commentators. In all fairness I understand "perseverance" was added later but it is a part of the system we know today.5 Reasons Why I'm a Calvinist
Jehovah's
Election
Saved
Us
Sinners
Brother Glen
James Donovan
Member
James Donovan
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That God will "finish" it is of little consolation to those who came out of Egypt and died short of the goal of their salvation. And since Paul says those events recorded for us are exactly like our walk today I Cor 9:24-10:14 we should take heed lest we fall ( written to saved people ) . The man who hid his talent in the ground the same kind of warning
Which are you, a Roman Catholic or SDA?
James Donovan
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James Donovan
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Just a sound fundamental Bible believer. Why the sarcasm ?
thatbrian said:
Probably not sarcasm. Looks like there is weakness in thatbrian's mind reading ability. He's looking for help.
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No sarcasm. I just want to understand who is criticizing my posts. Now I know.
Faith gets you started but your works keep you going and ultimately are your justification. Christ cleans the slate, but you must keep it clean - or else. . . I understand.
BTW, I know a few Donovans and they are all Irish Catholics, which is why I asked. If you don't wish to reveal your faith, that is obviously your prerogative.
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James Donovan
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James Donovan,
Unless you read the bible with understanding and see these verses;
phil1;
6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
jn10:
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us;
for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us:
but they went out,
that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
No James...it is right there in your bible...
1._____ Those whom God hath accepted in the beloved, effectually called and sanctified by his Spirit, and given the precious faith of his elect unto, can neither totally nor finally fall from the state of grace, but shall certainly persevere therein to the end, and be eternally saved, seeing the gifts and callings of God are without repentance, whence he still begets and nourisheth in them faith, repentance, love, joy, hope, and all the graces of the Spirit unto immortality; and though many storms and floods arise and beat against them, yet they shall never be able to take them off that foundation and rock which by faith they are fastened upon; notwithstanding, through unbelief and the temptations of Satan, the sensible sight of the light and love of God may for a time be clouded and obscured from them, yet he is still the same, and they shall be sure to be kept by the power of God unto salvation, where they shall enjoy their purchased possession, they being engraven upon the palm of his hands, and their names having been written in the book of life from all eternity.
( John 10:28, 29; Philippians 1:6; 2 Timothy 2:19; 1 John 2:19; Psalms 89:31, 32; 1 Corinthians 11:32; Malachi 3:6 )
2._____ This perseverance of the saints depends not upon their own free will, but upon the immutability of the decree of election, flowing from the free and unchangeable love of God the Father, upon the efficacy of the merit and intercession of Jesus Christ and union with him, the oath of God, the abiding of his Spirit, and the seed of God within them, and the nature of the covenant of grace; from all which ariseth also the certainty and infallibility thereof.
( Romans 8:30 Romans 9:11, 16; Romans 5:9, 10; John 14:19; Hebrews 6:17, 18; 1 John 3:9; Jeremiah 32:40 )
3._____ And though they may, through the temptation of Satan and of the world, the prevalency of corruption remaining in them, and the neglect of means of their preservation, fall into grievous sins, and for a time continue therein, whereby they incur God's displeasure and grieve his Holy Spirit, come to have their graces and comforts impaired, have their hearts hardened, and their consciences wounded, hurt and scandalize others, and bring temporal judgments upon themselves, yet shall they renew their repentance and be preserved through faith in Christ Jesus to the end.
( Matthew 26:70, 72, 74; Isaiah 64:5, 9; Ephesians 4:30; Psalms 51:10, 12; Psalms 32:3, 4; 2 Samuel 12:14; Luke 22:32, 61, 62 )
Unless you read the bible with understanding and see these verses;
phil1;
6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
jn10:
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
No...they do not have to make anything, they just read the bible with understanding...like here in 1 jn2;
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us;
for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us:
but they went out,
that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
No James...it is right there in your bible...
Chapter 17: Of The Perseverance of the Saints
1._____ Those whom God hath accepted in the beloved, effectually called and sanctified by his Spirit, and given the precious faith of his elect unto, can neither totally nor finally fall from the state of grace, but shall certainly persevere therein to the end, and be eternally saved, seeing the gifts and callings of God are without repentance, whence he still begets and nourisheth in them faith, repentance, love, joy, hope, and all the graces of the Spirit unto immortality; and though many storms and floods arise and beat against them, yet they shall never be able to take them off that foundation and rock which by faith they are fastened upon; notwithstanding, through unbelief and the temptations of Satan, the sensible sight of the light and love of God may for a time be clouded and obscured from them, yet he is still the same, and they shall be sure to be kept by the power of God unto salvation, where they shall enjoy their purchased possession, they being engraven upon the palm of his hands, and their names having been written in the book of life from all eternity.
( John 10:28, 29; Philippians 1:6; 2 Timothy 2:19; 1 John 2:19; Psalms 89:31, 32; 1 Corinthians 11:32; Malachi 3:6 )
2._____ This perseverance of the saints depends not upon their own free will, but upon the immutability of the decree of election, flowing from the free and unchangeable love of God the Father, upon the efficacy of the merit and intercession of Jesus Christ and union with him, the oath of God, the abiding of his Spirit, and the seed of God within them, and the nature of the covenant of grace; from all which ariseth also the certainty and infallibility thereof.
( Romans 8:30 Romans 9:11, 16; Romans 5:9, 10; John 14:19; Hebrews 6:17, 18; 1 John 3:9; Jeremiah 32:40 )
3._____ And though they may, through the temptation of Satan and of the world, the prevalency of corruption remaining in them, and the neglect of means of their preservation, fall into grievous sins, and for a time continue therein, whereby they incur God's displeasure and grieve his Holy Spirit, come to have their graces and comforts impaired, have their hearts hardened, and their consciences wounded, hurt and scandalize others, and bring temporal judgments upon themselves, yet shall they renew their repentance and be preserved through faith in Christ Jesus to the end.
( Matthew 26:70, 72, 74; Isaiah 64:5, 9; Ephesians 4:30; Psalms 51:10, 12; Psalms 32:3, 4; 2 Samuel 12:14; Luke 22:32, 61, 62 )
James Donovan
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Sadly you do not understand. As a Calvinist you are forced to adopt a covenantal soteriology. Which is Reading all texts dealing with salvation as past tense justification. i believe in salvation by grace. Through faith. No works. That matter is finished, done forever. However where Reformed / Lordship / Calvinists err is by failing to see that the vast vast majority of texts dealing with salvation are speaking of the present and future aspects of salvation. By reading justification by faith / salvation by grace into these passages the confusion grows. That is where you do not "understand". I know because I have many friends who have moved into Calvinism / Reforned thinking and it's dangerous association : Amillennialism
The bible reveals a covenantal soteriology. This salvation works....
0 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
antinomian grace is no grace at all.
Amillenial brethren are not going to hurt anyone.
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Yes, that is the Calvinist and Lordship Salvation, right there. Nicely done.
So the ending of Jude was not inspired?
James Donovan
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James Donovan
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Amillennialism denies the overriding theme of the entire Bible. The 7th day. The future 1000 years. Reformed folks are consistent in how they read the Bible. They read through the Augustinian lense. Sadly. Tragically. They can't just take the Scripture for what it says. It's like James 2. Oh, that proves works prove salvation they say. Well, that is correct Reformed theology. But that is not what 2:14-26 say. James says, writing to saved people (33 times in the latter by the way he says so) your dead faith can't "save" you. Well of course writing to saved people he is not testing their finished eternal destiny but their lives, their souls 1:19-21. Covenant soteriology forces one to ignore such fine clear and and accurate distinctions in the word.
How so?