75% are KJVO?

I respectfully disagree Greg.

IMO the discussions should continue on especially now that those who engender strife are for the most part gone.

Many "lurkers" come here looking for information and they should be able to study and discern both sides of the issue in order to exercise their faith as to God's method by which He preserves and transmits His Word down through the ages.

Also, just because a subject is ongoing is not IMO a sufficient reason to shut down a subject.

Several other subjects are hashed and rehashed over and over again (Calvinism, dispensationalism, OSAS, tithing, etc, etc, etc).


HankD

 

OK Hank...valid point well spoken and well taken.You may have noticed I don't post much in here anymore.I do read it when a topic catches my eye but I just don't like to argue.I prefer to try and edify.I'm a dogmatic sort of guy and I've been trying in recent years to reign in my own tendency to be argumentative unless it was really necessary.I believe in standing up for what I believe and declaring it....I just have moved away from beating people over the head with it.Does that mean I'm growing?I hope so! God Bless you.

Greg Sr.

 

Gotcha! I mean that it seems 75% of the posts here are about KJVOism and it's really getting old and boring.

Well, we wouldn't want you to be bored. Fortunately, your browser has a handy little anti-boredom device built right in. Just type ALT-F4 to access it.

 

I understand, I'm trying to stay on the same path.

likewise!

HankD

 

Those are my feelings, too, Greg Sr. But I would have to say I stop agreeing with you when you start pushing the KJVO myth. The Holy Spirit leads me to trust in the infallibility of God's word, but not just in a single translation. The Holy Spirit leads me to accept the NKJV and the NASB as well - they are also God's infallible and perfect word!

 

Agreed, Lacy...it does seem exchanges have been a bit more cordial and tolerant lately. Are we all mellowing as we get older or what?

 

Hi, Soulman...

If you re-read Bluefalcon's original post, I think you will find that the comment was made that 75% of the discussions are in regard to the KJVO issue - not that 75% of the discussion participants are KJVO supporters.

 

I know, Lacy...I have times like that, too!

 

KJVO is actually the product of the Episcopals, not Baptists!

The Episcopal Church did the translations of the KJV. Baptists existed prior to 1611, hence the KJV comes in after the Baptist Church who no doubt used other versions prior.

 

Greg, Sr...WHAT is your aggument for wordS based upon? Some of Jesus' last words from the cross were "Eli,Eli lama sabachthani". If a translation wasn't provided, how many people of today would actually know what He said? Shoot, some of the people who actually heard Him didn't understand Him!

The wordS thingie is actually just a GUESS that the AV men were 100% were right and that no others in English were right. There's absolutely NO proof to support this guess.

The man-made origins of KJVO are well-known, and its lack of Scriptural support is obvious. I simply refuse to accept any doctrine about Scripture that isn't supported by Scripture. The KJVO myth is not supported by any FACT, and the "exact wordS" thingie is but another unsupported part of that myth. The heart of the matter isn't whether Jesus words are preserved; it's about the TRANSLATION of them thereof. There's simply NOTHING to support the notion that the KJV is the BEST English translation of His words today.

 

That is a definite possibility. On the other hand there are probably those who find the lively debates here entertaining.

Not only that it is not always "same ol' same ol".

New wrinkles of the old debates are always forthcoming although it is true that occasionly someone will resurrect a "same ol" dead horse such as (for instance) "the King James is not copyrighted". Usually a newbie however who is promptly "eaten alive" in an unkind manner.

Which also leads to the following observation that sometimes unkindness, rebuke and name calling are not a sin.

Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Of course, it's all in the motive:

John 5:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.

Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

HankD

 

Gregory Perry Sr.: "The position I hold leads me to trust that I have the preserved Word of God ,without error as given to me in the language I was born to speak....ENGLISH."

Thou speaketh 17th Century (1601-1700) English?
Thou shouldest note that i speak 21st Century
(2001-2100) English. The position I hold leads me
to trust that I have the preserved Word of God,
without error as given to me in the language I have
learned since birth....ENGLISH. I speak, of course,
of the Holman Christian Standard Bible, God's written
word for the 21st Century (in English, other languages
have other translations).

 

Bluefalcon said:

What I really meant by the post was that all 10-20 people on both sides are not convincing each other of anything

By George, you're right. You're not convincing me of anything!

 

Ed...All I'm saying to that is that with ONLY a fairly "shabby" 12th grade public school education and 2 semesters of Bible college I have no problem understanding the "Kings English".Any minor difficulties I have ever had were quickly cleared up with a good dictionary and that good ole AWESOME Strongs Concordance.The argument that we need the bible in "modern english" just doesn't wash with me.When God SAVES somebody he thankfully brings His blessed Holy Spirit into us to open our hearts and minds to the truth.I don't need the often perverted gutter english of this modern culture to understand the Word of God.I just need to be submissive and obedient to the leading of God,the Holy Spirit to His written Word.Old English...or even the more recent revisions of the KJV are quite enough for me.God Bless You.

Greg Sr.

 

As long as someone promotes a false, extra-biblical doctrine as an absolute dogma, there will always be a reason for open, well-governed debate forums.

My only interest in this debate is the negative effect KJVOnlyism (not the KJV mind you) is having on fundamentalism. I agree with those who argue that it is the most dangerous of the 4 problems within fundamentalism's 100 +/- year history- the others being pentacostalism, new evangelicalism, and modernism if I remember the quote right.

In a movement with already established conservative tendencies... KJVOnlyism is a false teaching that attacks by pulling people too far in the direction they are already leaning.

 

Gregory Perry, Sr: The argument that we need the bible in "modern english" just doesn't wash with me.

Why not? Your fave version was once modern English.


When God SAVES somebody he thankfully brings His blessed Holy Spirit into us to open our hearts and minds to the truth.

And part of that truth is that KJVO is false.


I don't need the often perverted gutter english of this modern culture to understand the Word of God.

But you admitted you sometimes needed a Strong's to understand a Bible version written from the often-perverted gutter English of 400 years ago.


I just need to be submissive and obedient to the leading of God,the Holy Spirit to His written Word.

And JUST WHERE in that written word is the KJVO myth found????????


Old English...or even the more recent revisions of the KJV are quite enough for me.God Bless You.

And it would be quite enuff for me if it was all GOD had made available. However, He is still in control of His word; HE keeps it alive and thus able to be provided in the language He's given to us living today. God didn't just give you a monkey wrench...He's given you a WHOLE TOOLBOX full of useful things. He means for to use'em ALL. God Bless you ALSO.

 

I just want to know which Bible is Gods true word? and please don't say NIV which is nothing more than a filtered KJV.

Your servant
Fishnbread

 

Quoted from Greg Sr:
"When God SAVES somebody he thankfully brings His blessed Holy Spirit into us to open our hearts and minds to the truth."

Quoted from Roby:
"And part of that truth is that KJVO is false."

That's your opinion...I have mine.I'm just gonna close this by saying we'll have to agree to disagree.I'm not willing to argue the point.Since the issue regarding the Word of God is settled for me and has been for many years,I probably never should have engaged in this discussion in the first place.Since joining the BB,I have yet to see anyone change their position on this nor anything but sometimes tense arguments result from it.I just don't want to be a part of that.The Word of God is the very foundation of our faith.For that reason I find it necessary to stand my ground and hold to what I believe.With that,I'll stop.

For Jesus,
Greg Sr.