77% Foreigners chose Kerry - no surprise there, LOL

[Matt Black]

LorrieGrace, feel free to make whatever statements you want! 99% of us 'forriners' will agree with you and have a laugh at our leaders' expense, and the others will swiftly disabuse you whilst I'm sure being cordial with you about it in the main

Oh, and Blackbird, what mioque said

Yours in Christ

Matt

 

[blackbird]

Mioque says, ". . . they don't want to move towards the land of opporutnity . . ."

Then why in the world do they gripe about the Village Idiot??

And as a reminder to Mioque---Remember the 101st Airborne(and a swell of other Army Divisions) 1945 Bringing release to YOUR country from the TRUE Village Idiot

And to Matt---whos country was just DAYS away from surrendering themselves over to the TRUE Village Idiot----GB's PM was never more releaved to hear that the VI had declared war on the US!!

 

[Matt Black]

Originally posted by blackbird:
Mioque says, ". . . they don't want to move towards the land of opporutnity . . ."

Then why in the world do they gripe about the Village Idiot??

Because Bush's policies (or indeed those of any American President affect all of us. Thus it is understandable although maybe not reasonable that whilst we do not want to live in your Great Land (TM) we would like to be able to comment and have some influence on what it does.

Yours in Christ

Matt

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Matt,

While I can agree that any person in the world has the "right" to comment on American policy , we do after all believe in freedom of speech, I do not understand what you mean by "have some influence" on what it does.

Roger

 

[Pete]

Originally posted by blackbird:
Unfortunetly for the foreigners---polls don't count!

Shame really, because unfortunately again for us poor foreigners U.S. policy affects everywhere. Then again with that web-poll showing Kerry in front it was better it didn't count

What they need to do is----bring themselves over to the Land of Opportunity---, renounce their present citizenship in the country they live in----apply for Citizenship in the Land of the Red, White, and Blue---

Citizenship in Heaven is the only that counts

Going back a bit I was thinking about renouncing Aussie citizenship, however have to be citizen of another country first (and get same problems as here or worse), and fork over $260 to Government to do it (as if I'ld give them a ¢ more than I have to).

---raise their right hand over their heart---recite the Pledge of Allegence to the United States flag---

Been typing and deleting lines at this part for hour or so. Decided I'll just go with "The LORD is my Banner!"

---then get their sorry selves a job and pay taxes in the US like a US citizen---

Depends...Does U.S. have a tax free threshold? Here in Oz I make sure I earn under the level so I don't have to pay any tax.

---then I'll hear them GRIPE over who deserves to be President and see if they have the same "Villiage Idiot" story to tell after they've done all that!!!

Welllllll...Looks like I wouldn't do any of it, but the Aussie in me is tempted to do it all just for the stir factor But whether I do all of the above or not, I'ld still say Village Idiot would be only position where Dubya would be a great candidate

(Although in that election he might be beaten by Kerry

)

 

[Matt Black]

Originally posted by C4K:
Matt,

While I can agree that any person in the world has the "right" to comment on American policy , we do after all believe in freedom of speech, I do not understand what you mean by "have some influence" on what it does.

Roger

Realistically, we are limited, Roger, particularly when our PM adoringly skips along Bambi-like behind the US in everything it does (including losing 3 members of the Black Watch yesterday). That's why I said 'reasonably or not'people want to influence US policy; ultimately of course the US can do what it wants and there's not a lot else the rest of us can do about that, even without eg: UK and Australian support. But I would hope that through much-maligned organs like the UN, despite its many faults, and foreign relations generallysome kind of influence can be brought to bear from time to time

Yours in Christ

Matt

 

[ballfan]

Originally posted by mioque:
Blackbird
"and see if they have the same "Villiage Idiot" story to tell after they've done all that!!! "
"
I suspect tens of millions of Democratic party voters do.

"bring themselves over to the Land of Opportunity"
"
Much of the dislike that many foreigners seem to have towards the US is based on the fact that they don't want to move towards the land of opportunity and they don't want the Land of Opportunity moved to them either. American culture and the American way of doing things move into their countries anyway ofcourse, causing some 'strain'.

Every election Democrats threaten to leave. They never do. I don't remember any great exdous of foreigners either including the ones from Canada. On the other hand we seem to have a problem with people trying to get in any which way they can.

They might not want to but since WW2 to ever what degree they can most of the world has tried to become as much like and as prosperous as the US. Apparently they want what we have. I think the "strain" is caused by envy.

 

[North Carolina Tentmaker]

Mioque said:

Call me a cynic but I believe that the real reason most Americans around here rarely say bad things about foreign heads of state/leaders of government is that they have no clue who they are!

I think your right there Mioque, I would just add one thing. They also don't care. For the most part the American people don't know who is in power in this other countries because they don't care.

Which brings me to the poll of foreigners, most Americans don't care what the opinions of other nations are about our president either. Now of course there are many exceptions, and I really do want to here what others have to say here in this board. But Americans as a whole, they don't care.

 

[Matt Black]

That reinforces my point above that, ultimately, if they want to, Americans can go it alone, and there's not a lot the rest of us can do about it. So, I suspect the reason a lot of Americans don't give a flying fig about the rest of the world thinks is because they don't have to, unless and until some nutter flies a plane into one of their buildings - and then they suddenly discover the Rest of the World (TM) and take a massive interest in it - for about five minutes, in some cases. Which is one the reasons the Rest of the World (TM) tends not to like the US very much. Which is an opinion the US can of course afford to ignore, until...etc etc ad nauseam

Yours in Christ

Matt

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Pretty well stated Matt

 

[dianetavegia]

I didn't save the numbers, but the Atlanta Journal said in Georgia, most minorities voted for Kerry.

 

[dean198]

What the Daily Mirror and its ilk in London fail to understand when they call Americans stupid for voting for Bush is that America is facing a constitutional crisis - where judges now legislate by re-interpretation of the Constitution....since they obviously can make ti say anything, there is no limit to their power. They are embracing the liberal agenda, and are poised to further silence the free exercise of religion in our schools, colleges, work-places, and in our states.

On the other hand, the rest of the world is basing their opinion on President Bush's foreign policy - especially the war in Iraq. and we should be fearful of what he had done also...it is now standard fare to get authorisation from Congress for an undeclared war, rather than going the constitutional route and having congress declare war....which would mean they would have to act responsible for a change. this war will only weaken America and make it more pliable to the forces of globalisation.
Dean

 

[North Carolina Tentmaker]

Matt:

I think that is about right. Long term of course, I don't think the United States will be able to keep that attitude. With our manufacturing base disapearing and overseas markets needed for what is left I don't think we can afford to ignore the rest of the world forever.

Greg

 

[corinne]

Originally posted by Daisy:
I was watching some Brittish nightly news show on C-Span this morning. They were saying that Bush was NOT really an idiot.

It's sad that that is even discussed in a serious manner.

People abroad don't think President Bush is an idiot as much as they think he is dangerous for the stability of the world. Whether he is a good president for the Americans is totally secondary to us foreigners (I am a non-American). I personally think he is controlled by the "religious right", but hey, that is only my opinion. From the other side of the pond, it sometimes looks like he has been told Baghdad is Babylon and that it needed to be destroyed in order to be reconstructed and become a lighthouse for a World Democracy.....

This said, I feel more comfortable with the Americans on the side of Europe than without. The biggest danger to us Europeans (and by extension, to the World) will come, I believe, from Africa and Asia (basically, the third world countries and the Middle/Far East). Few people in these countries are Christians, they are all Muslims, Buddhists, or whatever else there is, and they do not take well to the idea of a Christian World, much less a Christian kingdom.

This includes Israel. I am puzzled as to why so many jews seem to have voted for Bush (according to the media), the jewish vision of Jesus being totally incompatible with ours, and their God being very obviously a different God from ours.

A Christian kingdom cannot possibly include jewish, muslim or any other religious people. You either are a Christian or not, with all it implies, no?

Corinne

 

[corinne]

Originally posted by mioque:
LorrieGrace
"I don't make negative statements about their presidents or whatever their title is in their particular country."
"
Feel free to go after Jan-Peter Balkenende (the Dutch Prime Minister), the man deserves the scorn heaped upon him more than the current POTUS does.
Call me a cynic but I believe that the real reason most Americans around here rarely say bad things about foreign heads of state/leaders of government is that they have no clue who they are!

Hey feel free to go after President Chirac as well, the entire French people (which includes me) know he has been a crook, and probably still is...!!!

Corinne

 

[corinne]

Originally posted by Matt Black:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by blackbird:
Mioque says, ". . . they don't want to move towards the land of opporutnity . . ."

Then why in the world do they gripe about the Village Idiot??

Because Bush's policies (or indeed those of any American President affect all of us. Thus it is understandable although maybe not reasonable that whilst we do not want to live in your Great Land (TM) we would like to be able to comment and have some influence on what it does.

Yours in Christ

Matt </font>[/QUOTE]I agree with you Matt. If the US President wants to be the "policeman" of the world, we (foreigners) at least should be allowed to comment, react and protest!

Corinne

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Originally posted by corinne:

This includes Israel. I am puzzled as to why so many jews seem to have voted for Bush (according to the media), the jewish vision of Jesus being totally incompatible with ours, and their God being very obviously a different God from ours.

A Christian kingdom cannot possibly include jewish, muslim or any other religious people. You either are a Christian or not, with all it implies, no?

Corinne

Corrine,

I already explained this to you in an earlier thread. But here goes again:

1. It was not a vote based on religious doctrine.
2. It was a vote based on Bush's support of Israel in their war on terror.
3. It was a vote against Kerry's statement that the biggest barrier to peace in Israel was Israel's security wall.
4. Yasser Arafat endorsing Kerry didn't help him to much either.
and
5. A major Israeli Rabbi endorsed Bush, not for religious reasons, but for political reasons.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Originally posted by corinne:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Matt Black:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by blackbird:
Mioque says, ". . . they don't want to move towards the land of opporutnity . . ."

Then why in the world do they gripe about the Village Idiot??

Because Bush's policies (or indeed those of any American President affect all of us. Thus it is understandable although maybe not reasonable that whilst we do not want to live in your Great Land (TM) we would like to be able to comment and have some influence on what it does.

Yours in Christ

Matt </font>[/QUOTE]I agree with you Matt. If the US President wants to be the "policeman" of the world, we (foreigners) at least should be allowed to comment, react and protest!

Corinne </font>[/QUOTE]I hope you will continue to protest loudly for four + more years. It will only increase the scorn of the American people for Democrats and unite more Americans behind the president and make us stronger. You see, Europe is very liberal and is not viewed very positively right now by most Americans (and I think this was partially reflected in the vote Tuesday). You guys need to worry a whole lot more about how you are percieved than about what you think of us. It could make a big difference in the next presidential election.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[mioque]

Blackbird
"Then why in the world do they gripe about the Village Idiot??"
"
Because the POTUS and his subjects at times influence the rest of the world in a way many don't like. In fact sometimes the world changes,sometimes the US happens to be the first in line to experience that change, if the rest of world notices the same change happening to them afterwards and they don't like it, they object:"O no! We don't want those Americanlike conditions overhere!"
Sometimes it just isn't fair.

"Remember the 101st Airborne(and a swell of other Army Divisions) 1945 Bringing release to YOUR country"
"
And as usual some ignore the fact that it was the Canadians who did most of the freeing in my country.

 

[mioque]

Ballfan
"On the other hand we seem to have a problem with people trying to get in any which way they can."
"
Those who want in, don't want to settle for anything less, those who wouldn't even want to be buried in the US don't like it when their country turns into an imitation it.

"They might not want to but since WW2 to ever what degree they can most of the world has tried to become as much like and as prosperous as the US. "
"
Actually roughly half the countries of the world tried to become like the USSR after WW2 (talk about a misguided idea). Becoming as prosperous as the US is a good idea, unless you are as rich as Quatar and think of America as yet another thirdworld country .
It is however debatable if becoming just like the US is a good idea.